NOM’s TV ad in New York on the consequences of gay marriage produced this response from a well-known Queerty.com blogger, who boasts openly that the NOM ad’s claim that gay marriage will be taught in public schools is clearly true.
“In response [to NOM’s ad] we say, 'NOOO! We’re not gonna make kids learn about homosexuality, we swear! It’s not like we’re trying to recruit your children or anything.' But let’s face it—that’s a lie.”
He goes on to say “We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it.”
His very future?
In case that’s not clear enough he points out:
“... Why would anybody get all up in arms about punishing teachers who mention queers in the classroom unless we wanted teachers to do just that? In response against the bill, FCKH8 . . . .gave out hundreds of “Don’t B H8N on the Homos” t-shirts, wristbands, pins and stickers to school children in front of TV cameras. Recruiting children? You bet we are.”
He doesn’t stop there:
“... Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach kids about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal?... I for one certainly want tons of school children to learn that it’s OK to be gay, that people of the same sex should be allowed to legally marry each other, and that anyone can kiss a person of the same sex without feeling like a freak. And I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start f****** men. I want lots of young ladies to develop into young women who voraciously ***** ***. I want this just as badly as many parents want their own kids to grow up ********** to trade proteins and forcefully excrete a baby.
I and a lot of other people want to indoctrinate, recruit, teach, and expose children to queer sexuality AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.”
In fact he concludes, “not educating our kids about queer issues makes them ignorant, hateful little morons.”
Gay marriage is the centerpiece of an ambitious movement to use the power of government, including the public schools, to impose a new public morality in the minds of Americans (including of schoolchildren) in which traditional views of marriage are treated as hateful, discredited bigotry, whether parents like it or not.
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Note the forceful language he uses to describe sex acts, and always plural partners. Then the wacky, violent description of giving birth.
But he's not about wanting to destroy marriage and family as it's been for millennia, he's not about trying to force acceptance and promote the increase of fringe behavior. Naaaaw.
Seriously, this angry guy exhibits way too much testosterone in isolation. He needs more womanly influence in his life. Ive seen it before. The gay subculture really skews your outlook on life.
Refreshing honesty -- it won't win you many friends, but then neither will stale dishonesty.
To many this concept is no longer offensive (tho the language he uses may be). The only way we (generaly speaking) have reached this point of considering this even remotely palatable is because for the last couple of decades the 'war cry' was "keep your nose out of my bedroom".
What goes behind closed doors is nobody's business but their own.
Well that certainly has changed now hasn't it? Now the next step apparently is to *put* everyone's noses in their bedroom. Even children's.
Well this is it. The geneie is out of the bottle. We now know the long term consequences of SSM. Perhaps every supporter of normal marriage out to download and print out this blog.
Have this handy when you run into the same objection: It does not affect you or your marriage. What do you care if I want to get married? Or my favorite reply when they say this will have no effect on children.
The homosexual track record speaks for itself. They accepted civil unions as compromise then is a stab in the back attempt tried to use that to get to SSM. In Maine we were told five years ago if we accepted their human rights legislation they would not go after marriage. Ah did that really happen in Maine?
Finally the Heritage Foundation has found over 300 possible court cases against people who do not favor SSM if they in fact get SSM in all fifty states.
If by 'indoctrinate' you mean educating children about the realities of the world around them. That gay people exist and deserve the same rights and dignity as anyone else. That some of their friends, their parents, teachers, and others they care about are probably GLBT and should not be discriminated against or bullied. Then yes. Yes that is what we should be teaching them.
Keep your bedroom out of my child's classroom.
I think it's ok to talk about homosexuality in schools like they talk about alcoholism, drug addiction, and the like. Yes, it exists, yes we should treat those people as nicely as we treat anyone else, and we should hope that the researchers come up with a way to prevent these tragic physio/psycho issues from occuring in the future.
In the meantime, we should disourage people from experimenting with such dangerous behaviors and help cure those who are afflicted. Many people have recovered, from all of these afflictions, though the fight can be difficult and requires community support. Groups such as Exodus and NARTH, like AA, have helped thousands of people worldwide.
Gay people exist and deserve the same rights and dignity as anyone else. They should not be bullied.
However, we can teach this without normalizing or elevating the lifestyle to special status deserving of such extra delicacy that we must be very careful not to say anything that might possible hint that it's anything but wonderful and magical to have homosexual sex.
Here's an analogy. Homeschooling parents have been fighting for over 20 years for the right to teach our children in peace, and for the most part, we have succeeded. However, we do not insist that the state bestow upon us the exact same benefits as are given to public school students, and we definitely do not insist that public school students be taught that many children are schooled at home and they're often getting a better education than their public-schooled counterparts... and *that* is even verifiable information! So if homeschoolers don't have the right to have their educational lifestyle celebrated in public school, why should homosexuals have the right to have their sexual lifestyle celebrated in public school?
Forcing the homosexual agenda upon societies most vulnerable, our children seems like a recruiting tactic to me. Respect for the traditional institution of marriage, the importance of families and responsible procreation seems like a better educational ideal worth preserving.
There is no dignity in homosexual behavior. Indeed, there is nothing more degrading and more likely to cause a loss of respect, especially self-respect, than to choose to engage in such acts. The only dignity, safety, and respect in sexuality to be found, is in self-control: complete abstinence before marriage, and then monogamy in a man/woman marriage.
Really recruit, like an army or something this is not possible either you are gay or not. I don't know where this man gets off with his thoughts but it DOES NOT represent the majority of gay and lesbians, and you people should know it best when someone says something from your side that you wished would have shut up. Well this is an example of it from our side. However I do want people to treat each other with desentcy and that I will indoctronate any one in doing.
You all here are crazy. Homosexuals do not recruit or turn other people gay. They are born that way. Aren't there more important things to worry about then refusing gays there right to marriage? I believe so.
This is why it is so important to not be beholden to one party and scorn the other...you never know where the support is going to come from.
And if a civil dialogue can be started, rather than just sniping, anything is possible and doable.
Here endeth the lesson.
I'd rather start discussions considering homosexual behavior a possibility for everyone, taking out the dichotomy (division into two mutually exclusive, opposed, or contradictory groups) for which there is no real scientific evidence aside from description as a behavior - like other psychiatric syndromes. If we start from that premise (that we can all act that way, say, for instance in an isolated island) then we don't fall into the rhetorical trap where they start by stating they are "different", yet claim special rights to be treated "equally" - what is it: equal or different. I wish they could make up their mind.
Lawrence, the claim that people are "born that way" is a lie. Even the Amereican Psychological Association has backed off on that claim. Their new statement is:
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."
That contrasts with the APA's statement in 1998: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."
"I don't know where this man gets off with his thoughts but it DOES NOT represent the majority of gay and lesbians" - Agreed, from all I've seen and heard.
Which is why you guys have got to stand with us (as several gays and lesbians already do) and tone the activists (both gay and straight) down. They say they're helping you, but they're not. They're just spreading the kind of hatred and violence that will ensure that you are regarded with fear by anyone who's ever been attacked, verbally or physically, by them.
Read the blog carefully NOM supporters than read the lies ib posts #11 and #12. The big one where they state they are born that way and so we cannot recruit your children.
But in the blog they admit that they are trying to recruit our children into their lifestyle. Those posts are lies but the actions of the homosexuals shows that you are not born that way, it is a choice.
You see if you were born that way there would be no need to go into the public schools and recruit your children. For example you are born left handed so there are no organizations going into the schools and recruiting southpaws.
Get it. They kow they are not born that way. It is a choice and thus the need to go into the public schools and recruit our children. As the blogger admits he wants to have sex with your children and if your child gets AIDS well than tough you know what.
It is absolutely amazing to me the stand so many of you take on education and the "gay-lifestyle". When was the last time you ever set foot in a school, let alone attended a lesson or researched the curriculum. Do you always rely on here-say, innuendo and NOM? Do you ever ask questions of your State Education officials, your Attorney General? Have you ever attended a Gay-Straight Alliance meeting to truly understand its purpose and content? Do you have a gay friend, a gay couple whom you love, admire and and visit in their home? Where do you people live?
Here is my question, are you born that way? Or are you conceived that way?
So let me get this straight...it is Unconstitutional to allow the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools, but it IS Constitutional to force kids to learn about gay history in school.. Well, let them try to fail my kids for Me keeping them home on those days and I will SUE the whole damned school district! This country is so Backwards that it makes me SICK!!
I just read the actual article that you are all up in arms about and quoted from. Yes, clearly that gay guy is pretty angry and he even uses naughty words. And guess what? He has every right to do so. Because he and his have been viciously persecuted by people like you in this country for decades if not longer. People like him have been MURDERED by people like you over and over again. So I understand his anger and hate. He has a right to them. But what you clearly don’t understand is that what you and he mean by “recruit” and "indoctrinate" is worlds apart. When this gay writer says “recruit” and/or "indoctrinate" what he means is that he wants every person (and yes, kid) who happens to BE GAY to be able to be open about it and accepted. Yes, he wants that even for YOUR kid if that kid happens to be gay. And he’s RIGHT to want that.
However, what you and your homophobic hysterical tribe think “recruit” and/or "indoctrinate" means is that he and his will come over and seduce STRAIGHT kids into being gay. And you actually believe this can happen because you are too damn dumb to read the science and realize that this thing you so fear CANNOT HAPPEN. No amount of exposure and acceptance can turn a STRAIGHT kid gay just as no amount of prayer and conversion therapy can “cure” a gay kid and make him straight. Human sexuality simply does not work that way! Get it through your head!
But I suspect that you also think the world is about 6,000 years old and that evolution by natural selection is “just a theory” too. I, in fact, suspect you are a complete idiot.
Only the PARENT has the right to indoctrinate.
All sex-ed and sexual orientation should be removed from the classroom. Neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality should have ANY place in a school's curriculum, and it should solely be the duty of the parent to administer "the talk".
This bill is a great start, but the queers will paint it as discriminatory. The real option should be to outlaw the teaching of sexual orientation and begin phasing out sex-ed.
As one man put it: get the bedroom out of the classroom.
Also, if there is a school that ever teaches my kids about "gay history" and other such crap, I will sue the sorry pants off of that entire district on First Amendment grounds. Free Excercise Clause, anyone? Allowing a school to tell my child how the most intimate of behaviors should work is an usurpation of my right to raise my child as I want. It counters the teachings I believe in and want to raise my child in.
In fact, I'll take a page form the left: I'll pull rights out of my butt and say it violates my right to privacy and my right to teach sex to my kids as I wish (see 'Griswald v. Conneticut', 'Lawrence v. Texas', 'Roe v. Wade' for precedent to base this) as well.
I'll also say it establishes a religion- atheism -just to add a page or two to my citation. Then I'd say it affects my ability to raise my child, and use the Ninth Amendment for that.
Then I'll find some hotshot lawyer and take this thing to the Supreme Court.
Why would it even be considered to teach Gay History in our schools? Do they teach Heterosexual History? What`s next? Pedophilia History? Or what about Beastiality? They all claim they were born that way...Where does it end?
The comments from those who try to justify, deflect, or rationalize this obviously evil posting would be boringly predictable if they weren't so commonly accepted. Here's a summary:
" Yes Christians, traditionalists, and defenders of the West, if you oppose homosexual behavior you are simply ignorant or intolerant. Since truly "enlightened" people recognize that we can decide our own identities based on whatever behavior we feel inclined towards, anyone who says otherwise wants to take us back to the 17th century. It is all about love and freedom of choice, so stop oppressing us." (In other words, I make my own rules, decide truth for myself, and how dare you say otherwise you caveman). Best term for this: Modern Chauvinism.
This truly is a battle of worldviews, with the idea that an individual is completely autonomous and accountable to no one, be it God, society, tradition, culture, etc...outside of himself, as opposed to the classical Christian worldview. Ideas and presuppositions have consequences, and in cases such is this, it truly is a war for the soul of western culture. To my allies and brothers in this fight, never compromise. Speak truth in love, but never compromise to some sort of relativist libertarian utopianism.
It seems to me that you Christian-Fascists are happy to see gay kids kill themselves; that you rejoice that gay men and women spend unhappy miserable lives, and that as a result they have higher rates of suicide, self-harm and drug abuse. You applauded Matthew Shephard's brutal murder. You rejoice in making gays feel worthless.
"Love one another as I have loved you?" How we laughed. It's hate all the way with you lot. And the supreme irony is that Jesus NEVER MENTIONS homosexuality. St Paul has something to say, but are you guys Christians or Paulists? St Paul also enjoins charity (= caring). He talks about love, too. I don't see any of that here.
Are you going to do anything to oppose divorce which HE called an abomination? Of course not. Even though you call yourselves the National Organisation for Marriage. Tcha!
What a bunch of Ayatollahs.
The response from Nick is exactly the sort of modern chauvinism that is all too common. First, we have a modernistic, historical-critical argument that Jesus and Paul are non-complimentary, and that following Christ's Apostles isn't Christianity. By the way, Christ does talk about homosexuality, and all forms of sexuality when he talks on marriage and divorce. Consider Matthew 19:4, where he says that God "made them in the beginning, male and female." Since Christ is God in classical Christian theology, and since Scripture is inspired of God, this also means Christ was speaking through the Law and Paul as well on this issue.
Also, the modernistic argument that love = moral license is also included, meaning that we should embrace, nay celebrate one's sin in the name of being "inclusive" or "affirming." This is progressive utopianism at its finest, trying to remake the Christian message in modernity's image. There is such a thing as "tough love," and "affirming" or even encouraging people to continue to violate God's law is how you truly hate someone.
For the record, Christians in the West have certainly been way too lenient on divorce, and do need to take marriage more seriously. However, studies have shown that Christians who have a consistent worldview (not those who simply say they are), have a much lower divorce rate than the general populace.
Also notice the labeling. Those who stand for traditional, orthodox, marriage are "fascists" (Nazis) or "Ayatollahs" (Islamic Fundamentalists). In other words, stand for the truth, and you're Hitler or bin Laden. This is what is truly meant by "tolerance" today. Yes boys and girls, being an orthodox Christian makes you an Islamic Nazi. But of course you can change that if you become more Enlightened and embrace "change" and "love." Again, Modern Chauvinism.
The stronger you stand against equal rights for all humans the further you distance yourself from today's reality. The youth especially, religious or not western or not; are seeing the truth many are standing proud as LGBT people and allies. You have a choice you can resolve to be a good christian and stand with all humans (ie."your neighbors") or you can continue to alienate people and watch religion's hold dwindle away.
Marriage strengthens families it doesn't matter if your hetero or not. Equality strengthens society, if our neighbors are happy, healthy and stable then they add to our society.
Canadians have fixed our laws and we are better for it. We have strengthened families, we have brought people together in love.
I admit this is my first time here on this site but all i see are people coming together in fear or hatred and claiming to be christian. Do you not see the disconnect? You are all here to hurt other humans, to stand against stable homes for children of LGBT families to stand against people who only wish to be treated equal by the government.
Is this what you want your life to be about? Hurting families.. hurting your neighbors.. damaging our society by creating divides? Is this how a christian acts?
Kim, nice to meet you. What you see here is people who may disagree with you. We support marriage, family and a child's right to a mom and a dad. It's not about people's private choices in their private lives, it's about publicly forcing everyone else to agree with you that we disagree with. You live your life your way and I will live my life mine. I would argue that purposely denying a child a mom or a dad just to suit your private bias is cruel, but if that's what you think is great, then let it be on your head. We are all equal. I am all for equal rights, but not special rights. You and I have exactly the same rights.