Comments on: Lynch Loses It: Supporting Marriage Now "Hate" and "Discrimination" http://www.nomblog.com/851/ The official blog of the National Organization for Marriage Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:12:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Thomas Aquinas http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-17039 Thomas Aquinas Thu, 06 May 2010 00:23:39 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-17039 Emma, when a Christian church abandons marriage, as the ELCA has done, it abandons Christianity. Remember, the Church is the bride of Christ, the focus of our baptism is original sin, given to us by our first parents. Christian theology, and the biblical narrative, is incomprehensible without male and female complementarity. Luke and Matthew begin their gospels with genealogies. The ELCA has ceased to be Christian, though it is certainly Lutheran. Emma, when a Christian church abandons marriage, as the ELCA has done, it abandons Christianity. Remember, the Church is the bride of Christ, the focus of our baptism is original sin, given to us by our first parents. Christian theology, and the biblical narrative, is incomprehensible without male and female complementarity. Luke and Matthew begin their gospels with genealogies.

The ELCA has ceased to be Christian, though it is certainly Lutheran.

]]> By: Marty http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-17030 Marty Wed, 05 May 2010 00:03:43 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-17030 I for one, refuse to believe that separate is equal. Where exactly is the "diversity" in a family with two moms and no dad? Bigots. I for one, refuse to believe that separate is equal. Where exactly is the "diversity" in a family with two moms and no dad?

Bigots.

]]> By: Marty http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-17029 Marty Wed, 05 May 2010 00:02:38 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-17029 Emma, Arizona (and Florida) citizens seem to think that a married husband/wife mother/father is the idea environment for children to be raised. This is uncontroversial, and in no way does does it prevent divorced families, same-sex couples, and single parents / grandparents / aunts / uncles / whoever from providing supportive, loving homes for children. Nobody is taking kids away from these "supportive, loving homes". Neither are they pretending that they are just as good as the real thing. (Nobody is stopping any of these folks from marrying either. They simply choose not to, for a variety of personal reasons) Emma, Arizona (and Florida) citizens seem to think that a married husband/wife mother/father is the idea environment for children to be raised. This is uncontroversial, and in no way does does it prevent divorced families, same-sex couples, and single parents / grandparents / aunts / uncles / whoever from providing supportive, loving homes for children.

Nobody is taking kids away from these "supportive, loving homes". Neither are they pretending that they are just as good as the real thing.

(Nobody is stopping any of these folks from marrying either. They simply choose not to, for a variety of personal reasons)

]]> By: Emma http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-17000 Emma Mon, 03 May 2010 16:29:38 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-17000 I don't know about you, Marty, but (just for example) the great state of Arizona saw fit to forbid same-sex couples (and all unmarried couples) from fostering or adopting children. So in fact the state of Arizona does have something against divorced families, same-sex couples, and single parents / grandparents / aunts / uncles / whoever from providing supportive, loving homes for children. Which seems ignorant at best, prejudiced at worst, and all around potentially bad for children. I don't know about you, Marty, but (just for example) the great state of Arizona saw fit to forbid same-sex couples (and all unmarried couples) from fostering or adopting children. So in fact the state of Arizona does have something against divorced families, same-sex couples, and single parents / grandparents / aunts / uncles / whoever from providing supportive, loving homes for children. Which seems ignorant at best, prejudiced at worst, and all around potentially bad for children.

]]> By: Marty http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16969 Marty Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:37:54 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16969 Emma: "<i>...until you ban divorce, single motherhood, etc. and forcibly take children away from every heterosexual couple who mistreats them in any way, don't get all high-handed about same-sex couples providing supportive, loving homes for them.</i>" I have nothing against same-sex couples, divorced families, or single mothers providing supportive, loving homes for children. But neither do I pretend they are married when they clearly are not. Emma: "...until you ban divorce, single motherhood, etc. and forcibly take children away from every heterosexual couple who mistreats them in any way, don't get all high-handed about same-sex couples providing supportive, loving homes for them."

I have nothing against same-sex couples, divorced families, or single mothers providing supportive, loving homes for children. But neither do I pretend they are married when they clearly are not.

]]> By: L. Marie http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16946 L. Marie Wed, 28 Apr 2010 03:35:09 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16946 "The over 1,200 benefits that come with the word "marriage" surely can't be confined to straight, fertile couples....but that's what you're saying." Hardly. What I'm saying is that rather than outlaw all behavior that is less than optimal and FORCE everyone to conform, society simply encourages the best situation for kids. No one is excluded. "The over 1,200 benefits that come with the word "marriage" surely can't be confined to straight, fertile couples....but that's what you're saying."

Hardly. What I'm saying is that rather than outlaw all behavior that is less than optimal and FORCE everyone to conform, society simply encourages the best situation for kids. No one is excluded.

]]> By: Clark http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16942 Clark Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:29:45 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16942 L.Marie, is a married straight couple without kids another broken family? What about an elderly couple who marries late in life? Are they to be discarded too? The over 1,200 benefits that come with the word "marriage" surely can't be confined to straight, fertile couples....but that's what you're saying. L.Marie, is a married straight couple without kids another broken family? What about an elderly couple who marries late in life? Are they to be discarded too? The over 1,200 benefits that come with the word "marriage" surely can't be confined to straight, fertile couples....but that's what you're saying.

]]> By: L. Marie http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16938 L. Marie Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:57:04 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16938 I don't know what kind of world you're proposing Emma, but it doesn't sound like one where freedom reigns. Why force when encourage is enough? You admit that two dads can never be a mom to a child, but we're supposed to just accept that it's good enough? How is that equality? If two moms or two dads can't do the job a loving, stable mom and dad can, then why force people to hold up ssm as anything but another broken family? People have the right to do as they please, but you can't force society to hold up something as equal when it's not. Are single moms equal to a married couple? Are single dads? or is it the number that matters? What's magical about two, how about three? The best situation for kids is to be raised by a mom and a dad, married and dedicated to them and their family for life. Anything less than that is just that. Less. I don't know what kind of world you're proposing Emma, but it doesn't sound like one where freedom reigns. Why force when encourage is enough? You admit that two dads can never be a mom to a child, but we're supposed to just accept that it's good enough? How is that equality?

If two moms or two dads can't do the job a loving, stable mom and dad can, then why force people to hold up ssm as anything but another broken family?

People have the right to do as they please, but you can't force society to hold up something as equal when it's not. Are single moms equal to a married couple? Are single dads? or is it the number that matters? What's magical about two, how about three?

The best situation for kids is to be raised by a mom and a dad, married and dedicated to them and their family for life. Anything less than that is just that. Less.

]]> By: Emma http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16937 Emma Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:18:51 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16937 And until you ban divorce, single motherhood, etc. and forcibly take children away from every heterosexual couple who mistreats them in any way, don't get all high-handed about same-sex couples providing supportive, loving homes for them. It's just hypocritical, not to mention detrimental to the children. And we can't have that! And until you ban divorce, single motherhood, etc. and forcibly take children away from every heterosexual couple who mistreats them in any way, don't get all high-handed about same-sex couples providing supportive, loving homes for them. It's just hypocritical, not to mention detrimental to the children. And we can't have that!

]]> By: L. Marie http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16933 L. Marie Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:08:17 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16933 Every child deserves a mom and a dad. If you want to, for your own reasons, deny a child a mom or a dad, that is your choice, and unfortunately our laws in some places allow it, but don't talk about equality while you're doing it. It's not equal for the child. Every child deserves a mom and a dad. If you want to, for your own reasons, deny a child a mom or a dad, that is your choice, and unfortunately our laws in some places allow it, but don't talk about equality while you're doing it. It's not equal for the child.

]]> By: TC Matthews http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16932 TC Matthews Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:04:55 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16932 Every child comes with a mom and a dad. If you don't like it, take it up with mother nature. Every child comes with a mom and a dad. If you don't like it, take it up with mother nature.

]]> By: Emma http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16931 Emma Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:50:35 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16931 If only more Christians were to follow the path of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Council, who recently decided to grant full recognition and equality to all its lesbian and gay and bisexual and transgendered followers. If only more Christians were to follow the path of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Council, who recently decided to grant full recognition and equality to all its lesbian and gay and bisexual and transgendered followers.

]]> By: Thomas Jefferson555 http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16929 Thomas Jefferson555 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:05:34 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16929 L. Marie, what criteria did you use that enabled you to choose your parents? Sob, sob.. I did not get to choose mine. L. Marie, what criteria did you use that enabled you to choose your parents? Sob, sob.. I did not get to choose mine.

]]> By: L. Marie http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16897 L. Marie Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:00:59 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16897 What does empathy have to do with anything? Everyone lives their imperfect lives, everyone deals with struggles and challenges. What does that have to do with whether or not SSM is a good idea? What I find intriguing is why SSM activists only worry about their own sob story in a life full of choices, what about empathy for the kids who don't get to choose? What about the ones who will be denied a mom and a dad simply to suit someone's personal bias? Is that really equality? What does empathy have to do with anything? Everyone lives their imperfect lives, everyone deals with struggles and challenges. What does that have to do with whether or not SSM is a good idea? What I find intriguing is why SSM activists only worry about their own sob story in a life full of choices, what about empathy for the kids who don't get to choose? What about the ones who will be denied a mom and a dad simply to suit someone's personal bias? Is that really equality?

]]> By: TC Matthews http://www.nomblog.com/851/comment-page-1/#comment-16896 TC Matthews Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:37:29 +0000 http://nomblog.com/?p=851#comment-16896 Hey Rick! Good to see you on here again. It's been a while. Hey Rick! Good to see you on here again. It's been a while.

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