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		<title>By: Tony Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working with Eugene Delgado, my company placed over 4000 calls on legislators voice mail this week.  Using our automated calling system, we called 130,000 voters from New Jersey asking them to call there legislator and demand that they vote no.  This along with your efforts is defeating this legislation.  Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working with Eugene Delgado, my company placed over 4000 calls on legislators voice mail this week.  Using our automated calling system, we called 130,000 voters from New Jersey asking them to call there legislator and demand that they vote no.  This along with your efforts is defeating this legislation.  Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-11298</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I refuted a previous comment Chairm. And I specifically noted that it is inappropriate to vote on a minority group’s civil rights, didn’t I? It doesn’t matter what a majority wants it if violates the country’s constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refuted a previous comment Chairm. And I specifically noted that it is inappropriate to vote on a minority group’s civil rights, didn’t I? It doesn’t matter what a majority wants it if violates the country’s constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-11297</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SSMer will cite majority opinion when it favors SSM but will denounced majority opinion when it disfavors SSM.

The SSMer will deride majority opinion expressed in direct votes of hundreds of thousands or millions, but will fall all over himself to praise popular opinion as per results of a survey of a sample of a few hundred people.

The SSM campaign is big on rhetoric and short of reason, unfortunately, and so its shifting standards of argumentation are unabashedly self-serving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SSMer will cite majority opinion when it favors SSM but will denounced majority opinion when it disfavors SSM.</p>
<p>The SSMer will deride majority opinion expressed in direct votes of hundreds of thousands or millions, but will fall all over himself to praise popular opinion as per results of a survey of a sample of a few hundred people.</p>
<p>The SSM campaign is big on rhetoric and short of reason, unfortunately, and so its shifting standards of argumentation are unabashedly self-serving.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-11067</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJR, if there has been another attempt to schedule a new attempt to put the bill to a vote in the Senate, that does not make the content of the blogpost a &quot;lie&quot;.

The original timeframe was for the Senate to go first, not second. That changed. You can&#039;t say that is a lie, right?

The &quot;postponement&quot;, in basic political terms, depends on the Assembly doing what the SSMers could not do in the Senate this past attempt.

That&#039;s the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJR, if there has been another attempt to schedule a new attempt to put the bill to a vote in the Senate, that does not make the content of the blogpost a "lie".</p>
<p>The original timeframe was for the Senate to go first, not second. That changed. You can't say that is a lie, right?</p>
<p>The "postponement", in basic political terms, depends on the Assembly doing what the SSMers could not do in the Senate this past attempt.</p>
<p>That's the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJR, you may not like it, but the truth is that the Senate did not have the votes.  I&#039;d like to see the evidence to the contrary if you have it.  Think about it, if they had the votes, they&#039;d have pushed it through.  No one looking at the vote count can honestly say that SSM was going to make it through.  The people of New Jersey simply don&#039;t want it.  Hallelujah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJR, you may not like it, but the truth is that the Senate did not have the votes.  I'd like to see the evidence to the contrary if you have it.  Think about it, if they had the votes, they'd have pushed it through.  No one looking at the vote count can honestly say that SSM was going to make it through.  The people of New Jersey simply don't want it.  Hallelujah!</p>
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		<title>By: CJR</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-11053</link>
		<dc:creator>CJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a complete lie! I can&#039;t believe you published this!

I have no opinion on the matter, but they postponed the vote so the assembly could vote on it. The senate IS voting on the bill the second week of January! 

This is a complete lie! SHAME, SHAME! 

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS. Even if it protects marriage. SHAME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a complete lie! I can't believe you published this!</p>
<p>I have no opinion on the matter, but they postponed the vote so the assembly could vote on it. The senate IS voting on the bill the second week of January! </p>
<p>This is a complete lie! SHAME, SHAME! </p>
<p>THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS. Even if it protects marriage. SHAME!</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-10993</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I think they were confident that they could get the bill passed by both Senate and Assembley but they also had a short timeframe. They assessed that the Senate would be slightly more difficult than the Assembley. To get it through the Senate they might have had to do lots of arm-twisting and deal-making and that can take time. Also, the Senate might have passed it with changes. So instead of doing the easy part first, they planned on doing the Senate, get it out of the way, then sprint to the finish line with the more pliable Assembley.

Or something like that. However, I think they&#039;d have met some tough resistance in the Assembley by reps who were leary of going out on a limb on SSM if the Senate was not in the bag before the Assembly voted. Horse bargaining and arm-twisting in the Assembley would go a lot more swiftly if the Senate was onside.

But given NOM&#039;s successful mobilizaton of marriage defenders, I don&#039;t think the SSMers were going to get it through either chamber as swiftly as the SSMers had expected -- if at all. They lost tactically and strategically, anyway.

My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I think they were confident that they could get the bill passed by both Senate and Assembley but they also had a short timeframe. They assessed that the Senate would be slightly more difficult than the Assembley. To get it through the Senate they might have had to do lots of arm-twisting and deal-making and that can take time. Also, the Senate might have passed it with changes. So instead of doing the easy part first, they planned on doing the Senate, get it out of the way, then sprint to the finish line with the more pliable Assembley.</p>
<p>Or something like that. However, I think they'd have met some tough resistance in the Assembley by reps who were leary of going out on a limb on SSM if the Senate was not in the bag before the Assembly voted. Horse bargaining and arm-twisting in the Assembley would go a lot more swiftly if the Senate was onside.</p>
<p>But given NOM's successful mobilizaton of marriage defenders, I don't think the SSMers were going to get it through either chamber as swiftly as the SSMers had expected -- if at all. They lost tactically and strategically, anyway.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting why they chose initially to start in the Senate?  I know now a bill can originate any either house or senate.  But I am curious as to why they chose senate first?  Those political savvy enough please respond.  What advantage did they get?  Why did they back out and decide the assembly would be the better way, if they didn&#039;t try it first initially?  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting why they chose initially to start in the Senate?  I know now a bill can originate any either house or senate.  But I am curious as to why they chose senate first?  Those political savvy enough please respond.  What advantage did they get?  Why did they back out and decide the assembly would be the better way, if they didn't try it first initially?  Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-10977</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is winning in New Jersey, so the SSMer decides to play the joker card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is winning in New Jersey, so the SSMer decides to play the joker card.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-10969</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just reading about Californians trying to put a referendum on the ballot to ban divorce in their state, as an effective way to preserve traditional marriage, which according to marriage vows and the Bible, is supposed to last a lifetime. I haven&#039;t been able to find where NOM is supporting the effort and raising funds for commercials supporting the banning of divorce. Could someone point me to the links on the website for NOM&#039;s policy position on divorce? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just reading about Californians trying to put a referendum on the ballot to ban divorce in their state, as an effective way to preserve traditional marriage, which according to marriage vows and the Bible, is supposed to last a lifetime. I haven't been able to find where NOM is supporting the effort and raising funds for commercials supporting the banning of divorce. Could someone point me to the links on the website for NOM's policy position on divorce? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news from New Jersey!  

Lately, the SSM crowd has been claiming that it is both inappropriate and impossible to &quot;cure&quot; homosexuality.  That seems very curious to me, as militant feminist lesbians attempt to &quot;cure&quot; heterosexuality in women and girls all over the nation, every day, and they succeed far too often.  Then women, sometimes in their 40s or 50s, reveal that they have realized that they have been lesbians all along.  Yea, that makes a lot of sense.

If one steps back and looks at the SSM movement in the US from afar, as aliens from another planet might, it looks like utter madness.  How could members of a species be trying to promote same-sex relationships that will not lead to the creation of natural families and a harmonious society, but that will instead lead to more distrust, hostility, misunderstanding, division, disharmony, bitterness, and conflict between the sexes.  We got to this point the way people usually get into difficult predicaments -- small step by small step.  And we will have to extricate ourselves small step by small step, and the victory in New Jersey, like the recent victories in New York and Maine, is another one of those small steps.

Keep up the great work NOM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news from New Jersey!  </p>
<p>Lately, the SSM crowd has been claiming that it is both inappropriate and impossible to "cure" homosexuality.  That seems very curious to me, as militant feminist lesbians attempt to "cure" heterosexuality in women and girls all over the nation, every day, and they succeed far too often.  Then women, sometimes in their 40s or 50s, reveal that they have realized that they have been lesbians all along.  Yea, that makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>If one steps back and looks at the SSM movement in the US from afar, as aliens from another planet might, it looks like utter madness.  How could members of a species be trying to promote same-sex relationships that will not lead to the creation of natural families and a harmonious society, but that will instead lead to more distrust, hostility, misunderstanding, division, disharmony, bitterness, and conflict between the sexes.  We got to this point the way people usually get into difficult predicaments -- small step by small step.  And we will have to extricate ourselves small step by small step, and the victory in New Jersey, like the recent victories in New York and Maine, is another one of those small steps.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work NOM!</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/632/comment-page-1/#comment-10956</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that all elected representatives have, the problem that is foremost on their list to solve, is re-election.

Democrats and Republicans who would stand against marriage are more vulnerable during the primaries. But even during general elections, as NOM has shown, marriage defenders can become a decisive factor in who wins and who loses. And, after elections, the problem of re-election does ot go away as NOM has demonstrated in NY and NJ.

The strategy is clear:

&quot;We want each of the 435 members of Congress to know that their own constituents are ready and waiting, even on a moment’s notice, to stand up and speak out for marriage — and that if they mess with marriage, they do so at their own electoral peril.&quot;

Thanks to NOM and to you, Brian, and to the marriage defenders who act with the courage of their convictions.

* * *

The new year will be a good year for marriage.

Brian said: &quot;I firmly believe that the dramatic victories we’ve seen in the past 6 weeks are just the beginning. Next year, I’m looking forward to taking the battle to our opponents, as we begin working to repeal the same-sex marriage regimes being forced on the people of Iowa, New Hampshire and elsewhere.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that all elected representatives have, the problem that is foremost on their list to solve, is re-election.</p>
<p>Democrats and Republicans who would stand against marriage are more vulnerable during the primaries. But even during general elections, as NOM has shown, marriage defenders can become a decisive factor in who wins and who loses. And, after elections, the problem of re-election does ot go away as NOM has demonstrated in NY and NJ.</p>
<p>The strategy is clear:</p>
<p>"We want each of the 435 members of Congress to know that their own constituents are ready and waiting, even on a moment’s notice, to stand up and speak out for marriage — and that if they mess with marriage, they do so at their own electoral peril."</p>
<p>Thanks to NOM and to you, Brian, and to the marriage defenders who act with the courage of their convictions.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>The new year will be a good year for marriage.</p>
<p>Brian said: "I firmly believe that the dramatic victories we’ve seen in the past 6 weeks are just the beginning. Next year, I’m looking forward to taking the battle to our opponents, as we begin working to repeal the same-sex marriage regimes being forced on the people of Iowa, New Hampshire and elsewhere."</p>
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