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	<title>Comments on: Marriage Supporters, This Is A Game-Changer!</title>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153629</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no such thing as a narrow ruling on Prop 8. SCOTUS will address the question of whether there is a right to ssm, or they will address judge Reinhardt&#039;s reasoning that a state cannot amend their constitution in response to the state court&#039;s misinterpretation of it. Another route is to address the question of whether a state can give benefits and then later rescind them. All of these questions have implications for other states.

If they address the larger question of a right to ssm, here&#039;s another consequence of a ruling upholding Prop 8: decreased likelihood of imposing ssm on states through the courts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as a narrow ruling on Prop 8. SCOTUS will address the question of whether there is a right to ssm, or they will address judge Reinhardt's reasoning that a state cannot amend their constitution in response to the state court's misinterpretation of it. Another route is to address the question of whether a state can give benefits and then later rescind them. All of these questions have implications for other states.</p>
<p>If they address the larger question of a right to ssm, here's another consequence of a ruling upholding Prop 8: decreased likelihood of imposing ssm on states through the courts.</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153626</link>
		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And once again I&#039;ve had a polite and on-topic comment blocked, while Mr. King is allowed to berate and insult at will.  But noooo, there is no &quot;animus&quot; on the side of those opposing marriage equality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again I've had a polite and on-topic comment blocked, while Mr. King is allowed to berate and insult at will.  But noooo, there is no "animus" on the side of those opposing marriage equality.</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153624</link>
		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. King, I have no idea which way these cases are going to go.  I think we will win on DOMA (sect. 3) on the basis of equal protection.  I suspect we will also win on Prop. 8 but that the ruling will be very, very narrow.  I don&#039;t expect the justices to rule there is a right to same-sex marriage, but you don&#039;t seem to realize that we can win both cases without any such ruling.

But even if my side loses both cases that&#039;s not the end of the battle by a long shot, although many on your side seem to think so.  Public opinion is changing, and in one direction only.  You can point to all your past victories but we&#039;re at the tipping point, as the 2012 elections showed.  Maybe it&#039;s time to start working on your own marriages, not opposing other people&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. King, I have no idea which way these cases are going to go.  I think we will win on DOMA (sect. 3) on the basis of equal protection.  I suspect we will also win on Prop. 8 but that the ruling will be very, very narrow.  I don't expect the justices to rule there is a right to same-sex marriage, but you don't seem to realize that we can win both cases without any such ruling.</p>
<p>But even if my side loses both cases that's not the end of the battle by a long shot, although many on your side seem to think so.  Public opinion is changing, and in one direction only.  You can point to all your past victories but we're at the tipping point, as the 2012 elections showed.  Maybe it's time to start working on your own marriages, not opposing other people's.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153604</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We will see in June Randy and Ash. I say 6-3 in favor of equality and against DOMA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will see in June Randy and Ash. I say 6-3 in favor of equality and against DOMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy E King</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153576</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy E King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John,

I take it you are now aware of how unlikely your victory in the SCOTUS is?

Kind of makes you look even worst considering how exuberant you were after corrupt jurists ruled in your favor at the appellate level; how gleeful you were at the site of your oppositions betrayal by the hands of your embedded tyrants sitting in black robes entrusted to them by the people they betrayed; people they swore to protect.

Disgusting is to kind a descriptive for you and your ilk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John,</p>
<p>I take it you are now aware of how unlikely your victory in the SCOTUS is?</p>
<p>Kind of makes you look even worst considering how exuberant you were after corrupt jurists ruled in your favor at the appellate level; how gleeful you were at the site of your oppositions betrayal by the hands of your embedded tyrants sitting in black robes entrusted to them by the people they betrayed; people they swore to protect.</p>
<p>Disgusting is to kind a descriptive for you and your ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153513</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A SCOTUS decision unfavorable to SSMers would totally deflate any argument that ssm is constitutionally required, i.e. a &quot;right.&quot; No other legislator would have any argument as to why this matter should not be put directly to the voters (which, despite November 2012, SSMers still don’t want to happen in general). 

No more hackneyed slogans about how we &quot;don&#039;t get to vote on rights.&quot; Such a decision from SCOTUS would annihilate the claim that this battle is akin to racial prohibitions on marriage, and would rob SSMers of their fondness for the Prop 8 trial/ruling. 

Some Americans oppose ssm personally, but feel that in a legal sense they have no right to oppose someone else gaining their &quot;civil rights.&quot; But if the SCOTUS rules yet again that ssm is not a right, this may liberate those Americans who feel compelled to support ssm. 

With the invented constitutional authority removed from this debate, the argument of SSMers essentially becomes “redefine marriage because we want you to.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A SCOTUS decision unfavorable to SSMers would totally deflate any argument that ssm is constitutionally required, i.e. a "right." No other legislator would have any argument as to why this matter should not be put directly to the voters (which, despite November 2012, SSMers still don’t want to happen in general). </p>
<p>No more hackneyed slogans about how we "don't get to vote on rights." Such a decision from SCOTUS would annihilate the claim that this battle is akin to racial prohibitions on marriage, and would rob SSMers of their fondness for the Prop 8 trial/ruling. </p>
<p>Some Americans oppose ssm personally, but feel that in a legal sense they have no right to oppose someone else gaining their "civil rights." But if the SCOTUS rules yet again that ssm is not a right, this may liberate those Americans who feel compelled to support ssm. </p>
<p>With the invented constitutional authority removed from this debate, the argument of SSMers essentially becomes “redefine marriage because we want you to.”</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a &quot;game-changer&quot; only if the justices rule very broadly in favor of same-sex marriage, which even marriage equality supporters don&#039;t expect.  And even if we lose both cases--the best-case scenario for your side--it changes nothing at the state level and will have no ultimate effect on DOMA: state after state will continue to legalize same-sex marriage and DOMA will eventually be repealed by Congress, for the very simple reason that more and more Americans support the right of gay couples to legally marry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a "game-changer" only if the justices rule very broadly in favor of same-sex marriage, which even marriage equality supporters don't expect.  And even if we lose both cases--the best-case scenario for your side--it changes nothing at the state level and will have no ultimate effect on DOMA: state after state will continue to legalize same-sex marriage and DOMA will eventually be repealed by Congress, for the very simple reason that more and more Americans support the right of gay couples to legally marry.</p>
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		<title>By: coldfish</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153472</link>
		<dc:creator>coldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, no, Peter, no, there are a lot of holes in the presentation you laid out. Including that whatever &#039;masculinization&#039; or &#039;feminization&#039; occurs in the brain during pregnancy is completely unaware of and detached from cognitive/social aspects of sexuality, like what the body is supposed to look like, or what gender roles look like. Including the fact that bisexuality isn&#039;t uncommon, so is questioning of sexual identity (the new Q in LGBTQ), and sexuality is fluid and can change over a lifetime. Including the fact that the biological influences you mention don&#039;t have a 1-1 correlation to sexual identity but just a statistical ccorrelation.

But none of that really matters, since the issue of marriage has nothing to do with the issue of sexuality or sexual identity. Two straight men or two straight women can&#039;t marry either. So we&#039;re discussing two separate issues.

So the fact that you&#039;re even bringing it up is a red herring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no, Peter, no, there are a lot of holes in the presentation you laid out. Including that whatever 'masculinization' or 'feminization' occurs in the brain during pregnancy is completely unaware of and detached from cognitive/social aspects of sexuality, like what the body is supposed to look like, or what gender roles look like. Including the fact that bisexuality isn't uncommon, so is questioning of sexual identity (the new Q in LGBTQ), and sexuality is fluid and can change over a lifetime. Including the fact that the biological influences you mention don't have a 1-1 correlation to sexual identity but just a statistical ccorrelation.</p>
<p>But none of that really matters, since the issue of marriage has nothing to do with the issue of sexuality or sexual identity. Two straight men or two straight women can't marry either. So we're discussing two separate issues.</p>
<p>So the fact that you're even bringing it up is a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: M. jones</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153471</link>
		<dc:creator>M. jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter. What does this have to do with the time tested truth of the definition of marriage? Homosexuals are free to live their lives as they choose.  Redefining marriage to mean something it is not, is against nature and natures God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter. What does this have to do with the time tested truth of the definition of marriage? Homosexuals are free to live their lives as they choose.  Redefining marriage to mean something it is not, is against nature and natures God.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153433</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Randy

I think they do underestimate. But that&#039;s just me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Randy</p>
<p>I think they do underestimate. But that's just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153415</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny how the pro-gay comments engage in ad hominem and then claim we cannot make rational arguments. What a concession. And those supporting marriage are marriage supporters, because we understand allowing gay marriage affects everyone. Look at Canada. 

And the first comment commits the guilt by association fallacy. Liberals are fighting an emotional, not a logical, battle against us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's funny how the pro-gay comments engage in ad hominem and then claim we cannot make rational arguments. What a concession. And those supporting marriage are marriage supporters, because we understand allowing gay marriage affects everyone. Look at Canada. </p>
<p>And the first comment commits the guilt by association fallacy. Liberals are fighting an emotional, not a logical, battle against us.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy E King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy E King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The left is not underestimating their opponents; the left knows they are in a fight and they intend on using every dirty little trick they can think of..

Virtue is a vice to these heathen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left is not underestimating their opponents; the left knows they are in a fight and they intend on using every dirty little trick they can think of..</p>
<p>Virtue is a vice to these heathen.</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/33336/comment-page-1#comment-153385</link>
		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@thom

They said the same thing when the unions ran their rally to counter glenn beck. turned out Glenn Beck got more people than originally estimated at his Restoring Honor rally. 

I believe the support for Traditional Marraige will be very surprising. 

The left ALWAYS underestimates their opponents. : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thom</p>
<p>They said the same thing when the unions ran their rally to counter glenn beck. turned out Glenn Beck got more people than originally estimated at his Restoring Honor rally. </p>
<p>I believe the support for Traditional Marraige will be very surprising. </p>
<p>The left ALWAYS underestimates their opponents. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Son of Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Son of Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee, Ken.  None of those things happened either when Proposition 8 passed in California.  But you&#039;d never know it by the behavior of homosexual activists.  And all citizens already have equal access to public institutions.  They just don&#039;t have the right to have those institutions redefined to suit their sexual proclivities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Ken.  None of those things happened either when Proposition 8 passed in California.  But you'd never know it by the behavior of homosexual activists.  And all citizens already have equal access to public institutions.  They just don't have the right to have those institutions redefined to suit their sexual proclivities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently drove across the border to Maryland, which recently legalized gay marriage. There were Catholic priests being arrested for speaking against gays; churches were boarded up and pastors were being arrested for not doing gay weddings. The state was sinking into the sea, but the fire and brimstone from the sky dried off my tires. Heterosexual couples were so dispirited that there were long lines at the courthouse to get divorces.

Strange, none of that happened. 

An old woman in a motorized wheelchair in a retirement home told me that she was very proud that her state legalized marriage for her grandson. 

A drug dealer, a child molester, a murderer, and even a prisoner on death row can get a civil marriage, even though  (I hope) they can&#039;t get a religious marriage in your church. You can still prohibit anyone you like from a religious rite, but you cannot deny citizens equal access to public institutions.

1 Corinthians 5:12]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently drove across the border to Maryland, which recently legalized gay marriage. There were Catholic priests being arrested for speaking against gays; churches were boarded up and pastors were being arrested for not doing gay weddings. The state was sinking into the sea, but the fire and brimstone from the sky dried off my tires. Heterosexual couples were so dispirited that there were long lines at the courthouse to get divorces.</p>
<p>Strange, none of that happened. </p>
<p>An old woman in a motorized wheelchair in a retirement home told me that she was very proud that her state legalized marriage for her grandson. </p>
<p>A drug dealer, a child molester, a murderer, and even a prisoner on death row can get a civil marriage, even though  (I hope) they can't get a religious marriage in your church. You can still prohibit anyone you like from a religious rite, but you cannot deny citizens equal access to public institutions.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 5:12</p>
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		<title>By: Son of Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Son of Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church  in Snyder vs. Phelps in an 8 to 1 majority.  That much indicates that SCOTUS does not give special considerations to homosexuals when interpreting the US Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church  in Snyder vs. Phelps in an 8 to 1 majority.  That much indicates that SCOTUS does not give special considerations to homosexuals when interpreting the US Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You start by addressing people opposed to marriage as &quot;Marriage Supporters&quot;, which is quite the lie.

You then say that something that has an actual impact on my life, and the lives of many other innocent people (quite a lot of them children) as a game.


So you&#039;ve lied (which proves you can&#039;t actually support your position) and you&#039;re evil.
Not bad for less than a sentence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You start by addressing people opposed to marriage as "Marriage Supporters", which is quite the lie.</p>
<p>You then say that something that has an actual impact on my life, and the lives of many other innocent people (quite a lot of them children) as a game.</p>
<p>So you've lied (which proves you can't actually support your position) and you're evil.<br />
Not bad for less than a sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The marriage equality supporters already have more people signed up for their march. NOM will be joined by Westboro Baptist Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The marriage equality supporters already have more people signed up for their march. NOM will be joined by Westboro Baptist Church.</p>
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