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		<title>By: Pluto</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134169</link>
		<dc:creator>Pluto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no inconsistency between the Chick-fil-a position and the Starbucks position. Private citizens always have a right to boycott for any reason. However, the government cannot &quot;boycott&quot; (by choosing to prevent a business from obtaining permits) on the basis of the political position of the corporation. I do not see any effort by Christian politicians to prevent Starbucks or General Mills from operating in a locality because of their political positions (or Christian groups calling for this action). If they were to do so, this would be wrong, and inconsistent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no inconsistency between the Chick-fil-a position and the Starbucks position. Private citizens always have a right to boycott for any reason. However, the government cannot "boycott" (by choosing to prevent a business from obtaining permits) on the basis of the political position of the corporation. I do not see any effort by Christian politicians to prevent Starbucks or General Mills from operating in a locality because of their political positions (or Christian groups calling for this action). If they were to do so, this would be wrong, and inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134165</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent posts, Publius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent posts, Publius.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134146</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 01:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The root of the word democracy is demos, meaning people.  I count nine instances of the word people in the constitution including the amendments.  It is prominent in the Preamble, a brief statement of fundamental and guiding principles.  It appears in Article 1, Section 2, which establishes the House of Representatives as the “People’s House,” and the in Bill of Rights, where it appears five times.  In the 10th amendment rights are reserved to the people.  The people did not give up their inalienable rights when their representatives ratified the constitution.  

Likewise with the states, the Supreme Court of California recognized the right of the people to amend their constitution, because that is a right reserved to the people in their constitution, not a right granted by the government or the courts.  

Do you seriously maintain that the people of the states do not have the power to amend their constitutions?  Yet the No on 8 forces, desperate to suppress democracy, argued just that in trying to keep Proposition 8 off the ballot.  The San Francisco-based, pro-gay marriage California Supreme Court held that the people could indeed amendment own constitution.  To declare otherwise would violate rights reserved to the people and clearly spelled out in their constitution. 

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.  Whenever a government deliberately repudiates that principle, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, as stated in the Declaration of Independence.  My forefathers sacrificed to bring forth and maintain this country on such principles, against all opposition, foreign or domestic.  I will not surrender those sacred rights to anyone, nor let them go without a war in which I would pledge my life, my fortune, and my honor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The root of the word democracy is demos, meaning people.  I count nine instances of the word people in the constitution including the amendments.  It is prominent in the Preamble, a brief statement of fundamental and guiding principles.  It appears in Article 1, Section 2, which establishes the House of Representatives as the “People’s House,” and the in Bill of Rights, where it appears five times.  In the 10th amendment rights are reserved to the people.  The people did not give up their inalienable rights when their representatives ratified the constitution.  </p>
<p>Likewise with the states, the Supreme Court of California recognized the right of the people to amend their constitution, because that is a right reserved to the people in their constitution, not a right granted by the government or the courts.  </p>
<p>Do you seriously maintain that the people of the states do not have the power to amend their constitutions?  Yet the No on 8 forces, desperate to suppress democracy, argued just that in trying to keep Proposition 8 off the ballot.  The San Francisco-based, pro-gay marriage California Supreme Court held that the people could indeed amendment own constitution.  To declare otherwise would violate rights reserved to the people and clearly spelled out in their constitution. </p>
<p>Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.  Whenever a government deliberately repudiates that principle, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, as stated in the Declaration of Independence.  My forefathers sacrificed to bring forth and maintain this country on such principles, against all opposition, foreign or domestic.  I will not surrender those sacred rights to anyone, nor let them go without a war in which I would pledge my life, my fortune, and my honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134099</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The constitution starts out with “We the People.”  We are an indirect democracy that has become more democratic over time.  Senators were once appointed by the states.  Now the people of the states elect them directly.  

The constitution states that powers not explicitly given to the federal government are reserved to the states or to the people.  

NOM has not, to my knowledge, ever called for a direct national vote on marriage.  It has called for state referenda, which most states allow, and properly so. That is a distinction you are willfully ignoring.  Moreover, the calls for referenda are usually in the context of the people exercising a check on an otherwise unrestrained and unchecked judiciary.  

Federal amendments can be proposed the by democratically elected congress or by democratically elected state legislatures and ratified by states, which could be by direct state votes of the state so chooses.  

It is simply unwise, unjust, tyrannical, and dictatorial to find ways to permanently thwart or bypass the will of the people.  The left used to shout “power to the people.” Progressives used to champion initial, referendum, and recall to check the power of well-financed special interests.  Both the left and the right traditionally encouraged democracy overseas.   We fought World War I to “make the world safe for democracy.”  But the left no longer believes in democracy for, say, Iowa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constitution starts out with “We the People.”  We are an indirect democracy that has become more democratic over time.  Senators were once appointed by the states.  Now the people of the states elect them directly.  </p>
<p>The constitution states that powers not explicitly given to the federal government are reserved to the states or to the people.  </p>
<p>NOM has not, to my knowledge, ever called for a direct national vote on marriage.  It has called for state referenda, which most states allow, and properly so. That is a distinction you are willfully ignoring.  Moreover, the calls for referenda are usually in the context of the people exercising a check on an otherwise unrestrained and unchecked judiciary.  </p>
<p>Federal amendments can be proposed the by democratically elected congress or by democratically elected state legislatures and ratified by states, which could be by direct state votes of the state so chooses.  </p>
<p>It is simply unwise, unjust, tyrannical, and dictatorial to find ways to permanently thwart or bypass the will of the people.  The left used to shout “power to the people.” Progressives used to champion initial, referendum, and recall to check the power of well-financed special interests.  Both the left and the right traditionally encouraged democracy overseas.   We fought World War I to “make the world safe for democracy.”  But the left no longer believes in democracy for, say, Iowa.</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134094</link>
		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a common misconception that the USA is a democracy but the word &quot;democracy&quot; (nor any variant of it) appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.  We are a representative republic. 

Meanwhile Publius is glossing over the fact that the Bill of Rights was never subjected to a popular vote.  It was ratified by elected representatives, in Congress and in the state legislatures.  This is true of all amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which is why it&#039;s amusing to see NOM always crying &quot;let the people vote&quot; while at the same time supporting a &quot;federal marriage amendment&quot; to write a ban on same-sex marriage into the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a common misconception that the USA is a democracy but the word "democracy" (nor any variant of it) appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.  We are a representative republic. </p>
<p>Meanwhile Publius is glossing over the fact that the Bill of Rights was never subjected to a popular vote.  It was ratified by elected representatives, in Congress and in the state legislatures.  This is true of all amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which is why it's amusing to see NOM always crying "let the people vote" while at the same time supporting a "federal marriage amendment" to write a ban on same-sex marriage into the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134074</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A right does not come into legal force until the sovereign ratifies it, and in the U.S. the people are the ultimate sovereign, although they act through their representatives.  Even the Bill of Rights did not come into force until it was ratified, i.e. voted on, by the states.  

Democracy is the surest bulwark we have against tyranny.  No country with a dictatorship has or tolerates democracy, but virtually every dictatorship has courts.  Many a dictatorship calls itself a “democratic republic,” but real democracies can govern justly only with the consent of the sovereign people.  The will of the people may be tempered by constitutional balances and requirements of due deliberation to prevent mob rule, but it should never be discounted or disparaged.  Here the people rule.  (See http://www.amazon.com/Here-People-Rule-Constitutional-Manifesto/dp/0735102562)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A right does not come into legal force until the sovereign ratifies it, and in the U.S. the people are the ultimate sovereign, although they act through their representatives.  Even the Bill of Rights did not come into force until it was ratified, i.e. voted on, by the states.  </p>
<p>Democracy is the surest bulwark we have against tyranny.  No country with a dictatorship has or tolerates democracy, but virtually every dictatorship has courts.  Many a dictatorship calls itself a “democratic republic,” but real democracies can govern justly only with the consent of the sovereign people.  The will of the people may be tempered by constitutional balances and requirements of due deliberation to prevent mob rule, but it should never be discounted or disparaged.  Here the people rule.  (See <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Here-People-Rule-Constitutional-Manifesto/dp/0735102562" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Here-People-Rule-Constitutional-Manifesto/dp/0735102562</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134070</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John B.

A republican form of government is not incompatible with the initiative, referendum, and recall provisions that are in many state constitutions, provisions that became popular during the progressive era.  Are you really saying these provisions are unconstitutional?  Seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John B.</p>
<p>A republican form of government is not incompatible with the initiative, referendum, and recall provisions that are in many state constitutions, provisions that became popular during the progressive era.  Are you really saying these provisions are unconstitutional?  Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134055</link>
		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure you people really understand what a &quot;republic&quot; is, since you keep complaining about what our elected representatives do, and try to circumvent them by demanding that &quot;the people&quot; be allowed to vote directly on legislation and other people&#039;s rights.  This is the antithesis of the republican (i.e., representative) form of government established under the U.S. Constitution and guaranteed to the states under Art. 4, sect. 4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure you people really understand what a "republic" is, since you keep complaining about what our elected representatives do, and try to circumvent them by demanding that "the people" be allowed to vote directly on legislation and other people's rights.  This is the antithesis of the republican (i.e., representative) form of government established under the U.S. Constitution and guaranteed to the states under Art. 4, sect. 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134045</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chick-fil-A as a corporation never took a position.  Their private owner did. There is a difference.  There is also a difference between a public corporation with many stockholders, some of whom are unhappy with the management, and a closely held private entity.  

No government that I am aware of ever threatened Starbucks.  Some in the gay lobby did cheer on the dubious government efforts of the cities of Chicago, New York, and Boston to block Chick-fil-A franchises.  

In any event, I don&#039;t represent the NOM, and I am happy to see every consumer make their own choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chick-fil-A as a corporation never took a position.  Their private owner did. There is a difference.  There is also a difference between a public corporation with many stockholders, some of whom are unhappy with the management, and a closely held private entity.  </p>
<p>No government that I am aware of ever threatened Starbucks.  Some in the gay lobby did cheer on the dubious government efforts of the cities of Chicago, New York, and Boston to block Chick-fil-A franchises.  </p>
<p>In any event, I don't represent the NOM, and I am happy to see every consumer make their own choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McMichael</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-134025</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul McMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worth repeating until people get it:

&quot;What is inconsistent is for NOM to call for a boycott of Starcucks and General Mills for taking a position on SSM that it doesn&#039;t like (on the grounds that corporations shouldn&#039;t be involved in social issues) and then to laud Chick-fil-A for taking a position on SSM that it does like.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth repeating until people get it:</p>
<p>"What is inconsistent is for NOM to call for a boycott of Starcucks and General Mills for taking a position on SSM that it doesn't like (on the grounds that corporations shouldn't be involved in social issues) and then to laud Chick-fil-A for taking a position on SSM that it does like."</p>
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		<title>By: ROGER BYE</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-133995</link>
		<dc:creator>ROGER BYE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANKS FOR YOUR COURAGE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANKS FOR YOUR COURAGE</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Lou Meredith</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-133993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Lou Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe and always have always will in a man and woman marrage.I BELIEVE IN GOD and he is comming back!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe and always have always will in a man and woman marrage.I BELIEVE IN GOD and he is comming back!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-133887</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HV,

Everyone is free to voice their opinion and to patronize or not patronize businesses they like or don’t like.  That is free speech and free enterprise.  It was when city officials in Boston and Chicago indicated they would block Chick-fil-A franchises from opening in that a red line was crossed.  No city official threatened Starbucks at the behest of the NOM.  That is the big difference that you are willfully ignoring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HV,</p>
<p>Everyone is free to voice their opinion and to patronize or not patronize businesses they like or don’t like.  That is free speech and free enterprise.  It was when city officials in Boston and Chicago indicated they would block Chick-fil-A franchises from opening in that a red line was crossed.  No city official threatened Starbucks at the behest of the NOM.  That is the big difference that you are willfully ignoring.</p>
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		<title>By: Dottie Mounts</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-133870</link>
		<dc:creator>Dottie Mounts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God help us if we allow same sex marriage to become the norm ! We MUST do all we can to stop this maddness!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God help us if we allow same sex marriage to become the norm ! We MUST do all we can to stop this maddness!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/28624/comment-page-1#comment-133866</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to add my name but I am unemployed and have no money to pay to have my name put on a list.  There is no option to sign without making a donation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to add my name but I am unemployed and have no money to pay to have my name put on a list.  There is no option to sign without making a donation.</p>
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		<title>By: HV</title>
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		<dc:creator>HV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just out of curiosity, does this stance apply to SSM supporters?  Will NOM be calling off its Starbucks boycott?

Sorry; I forgot that free-speech rights only apply to those opposed to SSM . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, does this stance apply to SSM supporters?  Will NOM be calling off its Starbucks boycott?</p>
<p>Sorry; I forgot that free-speech rights only apply to those opposed to SSM . . .</p>
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