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A Christmas Message from Brian Brown

 

"Is it just religion?"

The man stopped us as in front of the famous Mayflower Hotel's tea room. He introduced himself as an LGBT activist and asked politely, "Your opposition to gay marriage, is it just religion?"

We were busy, so I just smiled, handed him my card, and said, "Email me."

But I've been thinking of his question as I sit down to write my Christmas message to you.

How can you frame a world in which "just" and "religion" belong in the same sentence?

Just a few days from now we celebrate the most amazing thing that ever happened in humans history: God became man. A baby was born, and suddenly God was with us.

"Just religion?" is the way the world--that world which we humans are now busily attempting to remake in our own image--dulls our childlike sense of wonder, our ability to see and feel and react to the truth about who we are. We are children of the King who freely chose to love us, who taught us what love means: to be willing to die if necessary, and to get up every day to do the work that God has placed before us.

Yes, we are blessed to live in a country whose Constitution was framed by great men who understood that limiting government's power to repress religion was necessary to protect faith and faith communities. "Free exercise" is the fundamental value our Constitution gives us, because religion is so important to human life.

And no, to answer the question, of course the idea that to make a marriage you need a husband and wife is not a purely religious idea. Human beings across the centuries with different religious commitments have been able to grasp the unique nature and importance of marriage, perceiving its deep roots in the reality that when men and women give themselves to each other physically, something else momentous happens: new life.

The second-greatest day, repeated every day in the history of mankind, is the birth of an ordinary child, made in the image of God, and made for love.

Here's our Christmas card.

I told them all to smile and you can see they did! Except John, who wasn't having any of the jolly thing at that moment.

No, it's never just religion. It's the truth about life--the meaning of life, the meaning of love--that matters.

I'm so privileged to work alongside so many good people like you, to fight for the truth about love, with love.

To those of you who do not share our faith commitments, let me tell you that we treasure your fellowship, your good will, your courage and your commitment to marriage.

God bless you, each and every one.

And Merry Christmas!

77 Comments

  1. Paul Sanderson
    Posted December 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I pray our LGBT activists can someday see the joy and societal benefits of a loving mother and father that Brian's picture so proudly demonstrates. This is what family means, a loving mother and father. Thank you NOM, thank you Brian and all those fighting for a childs right to a mom and a dad. God bless you and your wonderful family this holiday season!

  2. TC Matthews
    Posted December 23, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    You have a beautiful family! Thanks for supporting marriage and doing all the work you do.

  3. Mike
    Posted December 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Very nice picture. Although I don't agree with you I do wish you and your family a merry Christmas.

  4. Andrew
    Posted December 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I love the picture! For our family as well, our beliefs are the fabric of our lives. It's not something I'd ever want to have left behind in a world that is all too secular. Keep the faith!

  5. Don
    Posted December 23, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    As I read your message, Brian, one thing comes through above all else; gratitude. You have it and that is one of the biggest secrets of living a happy life.

    "...But while he thought on these things, behold,
    the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
    saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take
    unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived
    in her is of the Holy Ghost.
    And she shall bring forth a son,
    and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall
    save his people from their sins..."
    Matthew 2:20-21

    Merrry Chritmas to Brian, Maggie, all of the NOM staff, their families and loved ones.

  6. Clark
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    I pretty much disagree with NOMs entire mission statement. From my perspective, Nom is fighting to keep me from building a happy family of my own. My future husband and I want our future children to have a stable, secure, loving environment to grow up in. Rights that straight couples take for granted, and something which has absolutely nothing to do with anyone elses marriage.

    But I do agree that Brian has a beautiful family. The little ones are adorable.

    Merry Christmas to all of you folks.

    Brian does have a beautiful family.

  7. Olivia
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    Greatest man in history named Jesus, had no servants, yet they called him Master. Had no degree, yet they called him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet he conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today.

    Thanks for all you do.

  8. ConservativeNY
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    "From my perspective, Nom is fighting to keep me from building a happy family of my own."

    You need a woman to do that, Clark.

    "My future husband and I want our future children to have a stable, secure, loving environment to grow up in."

    Unless you are a woman with a man's name, Clark, I don't see how that is a biologically feasable expectation. I don't have to give you a course in Biology 101 do I?

    In any case, I wish you and everyone else a Very Merry Christmas. And may we all find happieness without looking for it in the wrong places.

  9. Mike Brooks
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    @Clark -

    NOM encourages you to have a family just like Brian's; that's the point. Like most of us married folk have done, you'll have to find the right person to marry; this guy that you're with is not the marrying type: "He's a man, baby."

    Look, Clark, we all have the capacity to love people of both sexes, and if you think there's no one else for you but this guy, and/or you so value sodomy over procreative sex, then stick with what you got.

    If you can't/don't want to find that special woman, do you actually believe that society should change one of its most important institutions so that you can say that you're "married?" Straight single people don't expect that.

    Like all single men, you have to find a woman if you want to get married. Many people can't find the right person to marry; many people fall in love but are otherwise prohibited from marrying, Faced with that, they have to settle for someone different if they want to get married and have kids. Gay peoples' plight is not all that special, Clark.

    It's always heart-breaking when we can't marry the one we love (I've been there); but we've got to keep on looking for the right one. When you do, and when you create those kids who will share you and your wife's blood and genetics, you'll be a happy man.

  10. PRS
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    "It's always heart-breaking when we can't marry the one we love (I've been there); but we've got to keep on looking for the right one. When you do, and when you create those kids who will share you and your wife's blood and genetics, you'll be a happy man."

    So according to Mike's last sentence happiness is only gained through having kids. What about all of the people out there who just don't want to raise kids? They just aren't doing their job? Are selfish? What?

  11. TC Matthews
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    PRS, Let's look at the options. Some say money brings happiness. I don't buy that. I'd go with family every time. Job, career, all that is just to enable me to spend time with and provide for my family. Faith and family are what bring happiness into my life.

  12. Don
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    God is happiness but one can't have God if one chooses to distance one's self from Him by disregarding his laws.

  13. Mike Brooks
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    @PRS -

    Honestly, do all of you have to twist words to suit your lame arguments? I said you would be happy, I didn't say it was the only source of happiness.

    Or maybe you wouldn't be happy; but happiness has never been a promise or point of marriage, either. We control our own happiness.

  14. Don
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    If God is a reality in our life we will be happy regardless of outer circumstances. If we do not have God in our life then we could rule the world and happiness would still elude us.

    A good, spiritual marriage is a gift from God. Accept the gift but don't forget the Giver.

  15. Don
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Those, straight or gay, who think that marriage alone will satisfy them will be disappointed. No human being and no human relationship can susbtitute for God.

    Those who think that children alone will staisfy them will be disappointed. The God-desire of the soul cannot be surfeited with human relationships no matter how loving they may be.

    Only when marriage and children exist for us wiithin the context of God can they lead to happiness. God is the "secret ingredient" without which everything goes flat.

  16. Paul Sanderson
    Posted December 24, 2010 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Gays and Lesbians might consider this time of year to evaluate what will bring them true and lasting happiness. The love of their own biological child with a mother and father. Don't keep looking for love in the wrong places. Look at Brian's adorable family, you can have this too, if you make the right choices. Bless you and know that Christ died for your sins.

  17. Judith Brumbaugh
    Posted December 25, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    What are you doing to support one man for one woman for life? It's sometimes "safe" to come against gay marriage but what about an even bigger issue-divorce and "re-marriage"? God surely talks a lot more about the latter in the Bible. Not that either ok but our nation is in a bigger mess because of multiple marriage relationships than it is because of gay marriages.

  18. PRS
    Posted December 26, 2010 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    MIke, how am i twisting your words? This is your quote:

    "When you do, and when you create those kids who will share you and your wife's blood and genetics, you'll be a happy man."

    It's a pretty basic sentence. Do THIS to receive THAT. Have kids to be happy...seems pretty straightforward to me.

  19. PRS
    Posted December 26, 2010 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Regardless, Mike.

    I'm happy with my husband who I married in MA. And our 2 cats and one dog. We have a pretty great family and we are both happy. Neither of us want kids and are proud to say so. There are far too many people in the world having kids that shouldnt be having kids. Far too many poor. Far too many homeless. Being a father or mother is not a requirement to living. I'd much rather spend my time and energy elsewhere than raising a child. I'm personally happy just the five us.

    Personally think its time for everyone to realize that life is what you make of it. There is no "role" you are meant to fill. Not everyone is meant to be a father. Not everyone SHOULD be a father. If you would rather spend your time and energy going and seeing the world, experiencing different cultures and people instead of raising a kid then I say go for it. More power to you. Happiness is what you make of it, so choose to follow what makes you happy. Merry Christmas everyone :)

  20. Don
    Posted December 26, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    @ Judith and PRS:

    First let me say that I applaud you for refraining from name-calling. That is a big step forward in having a civil debate. Thank you! :-)

    The good societal institutions, like marriage, come about because of a convergence of principles. There are religious teachings, considerations about what is best for society and a practical examination of what has worked best. Marriage is what it is out of consideration of all of those things. There's an old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

    Is heterosexual marriage perfect? No! How can it be when we human beings are not perfect? More importantly, it isn't necessary that heterosexual marriage be perfect. What is necessary is that we uphold the ideal. Why? Because the more we lower the bar, the lower we will jump!

    If we lower the bar, because perfection is unattainable, then we won't make as much effort. If we continue lowering the bar, "open marriage", adultery, divorce and irresponsible parenting will become accepted as the norms. That would have a very tangible negative impact on our society.

    Things like divorce, remaining single and having no children stand out precisely because they are not part of the accepted norms of society. We continually compare them against the measuring stick of married heterosexual couples with children. That's why we take note of such exceptional scenarios in the first place.

    To be sure, PRS, there are those who are wise to remain single and to not have children. "Primum non nocere!" Above all, do no harm! Each individual bears the responsibility to look within themselves and to make a scrupulously honest assessment of their suitability for becoming a parent.

    The core issue we are addressing is not whether all heterosexuals should be married and have children. There are those who choose to join religious orders. Theirs is to be a life of worship, service and celibacy. The core issue is not how well heterosexuals do with marrige and parenting. The core issue is whether or not society and our nation will benefit from including same sex couples in the definition of marriage or whether such a change would be harmful. That is the crux of our disagreement.

    A scondary consideration is the methods being used by homosexual marriage activists to attain the outcome they desire. Since homosexual marriage is not universal in the U. S., we are not experiencing the full impact of it. The real time damage being done right now is largely secondary to homosexual marriage activists attacking and undermining the fundamental principles of democracy in order to get what they desire. Our legal system, the intent of the Founding Fathers, The United States Constitution and the right to self-determination through a majority vote are all being tossed into the bonfire of desire for homosexual marriage.

    The really sad thing in all of this is that gays don't realize that they are being used and exploited. The homosexual equality agenda is backed by the Communist Party USA. You can't be so naive as to believe that such support springs from genuine concern for homosexuals. The communists support your agenda only because it furthers THEIR agenda! If it furthered their agenda to drop you, they would do so in a heartbeat!

    Communists are always on the lookout for groups to exploit. They saw your discontent as an opportunity and so have fanned the flames. They have surreptitiously filled your heads with propaganda and talking points all so that they could use your cause as a battering ram against The United States and democracy.

    We have much more concern for gays as human beings than do the communists. To them, your are nothing more than a dispensable tool to be used and discarded. We don't condone your lifestyle and we are honest with you about that but we believe in God and the communists don't. We understand that, no matter what you choose to do, you are still souls and still God's children. We will try to influence you to change for what we see to be in your best interests as well as ours. We will defend traditional marriage. We will, however, do you no harm. The communists have no such reservations. Their guiding, Godless prinicple is that the end justifies the means.

    Merry Christmas, happy holidays and happy new year to you too! :-)

  21. God
    Posted December 27, 2010 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    Hi everyone,

    God here. I am deep within you. I am deep within everything. I am everything. I created you, I created a marriage between a man and a woman, I created love between a man and a man, a woman and a woman, a dog and a dog, bacterium and bacterium, asexual protists...you get the idea.

    I AM LOVE. In every form. I am straight people getting married, I am gay people getting married. I am single people, I am swingers, I am orgies, I am atomic bombs and Mother Teresa. Everything I am is to make the world a more interesting place to be. I am the tolerant mystic who loves everyone, such as Jesus (one of my billions of children and incarnations) and Walt Whitman (very gay, and very beautiful). I am also angry people like Bill O'Reilly who can't get over the fact the other people's experiences are conducted slightly differently from theirs, and have to be because the universe is ENORMOUS and DIVERSE and INTERESTING and IMAGINATIVE...and well, CREATIVE because I AM GOD AND I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT.

    I can confound liberals with conservatives who want to limit the love experienced by others and ironically create groups that are "for marriage" even though their sole purpose is to prevent certain people who make them uncomfortable from getting married, and I can confuse conservatives by surrounding them with sodomites even though one of the zillions of books I wrote (a long time ago, I've written many since) condemns it.

    I AM EVERYTHING. ENJOY ME. ENJOY YOU. AS I SAID WHEN I WAS JESUS, "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF". Thus, that means if you think you are deserving of marriage and were born attracted to the opposite sex and you love yourself, then you should also love your gay neighbor who was born attracted to the same sex.

    In short, enjoy your experience, because it's all you've got, and try not to get too bothered simply because others are enjoying theirs in a different way. I am all around you. You're going to miss me if you can't get over the fact that I am diverse, interesting and unpredictable, just like all those neutron stars and black holes and superstrings and higgs bosons that I also am.

    AMEN

    I LOVE YOU ALL

  22. Don
    Posted December 27, 2010 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    You know, it's one thing to disrespect us and another to disrespect God. Just like the communists backing the homosexual activist agenda, you must be an atheist.

    I'm glad that NOM allowed this comment to be seen because it is the ultimate definition of what you are. Nothing need be added.

  23. Don
    Posted December 27, 2010 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    To the one who dares call himself God:

    Right now you are all puffed up with arrogance. You think that there will be no consequence for what you have written. There will be a consequence.

    Many years hence, when you reach the end of life, you will experience great suffering. Then you will turn to God for help. So it will be.

  24. ConservativeNY
    Posted December 27, 2010 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Isn't it a bit blasphemous to impersonate God? Bad enough when people deem to speak for him, but to actually pretend to be him is the pinacle of gall.

  25. Don
    Posted December 27, 2010 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Isn't being a "bit blasphemous" like being a "bit pregnant", ConservativeNY?

  26. ConservativeNY
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Touche, Don.

  27. Don
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    :-) Haven't heard that expression for a long time, Conservative!

  28. John W
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    You must be just sick about this DADT thing....imagine, people not having to lie anymore in order to help protect our Country.....kind of an indicator of what's going to happen to your campaign of marriage inequality , don't you think? You have a lovely family Brian. Hopefully they will all forgive you when they are all adults and learn that their father was on the wrong side of right and wrong. Hopefully Jesus won't judge you so harshly as well!

  29. Don
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    "Methinks thou dost protest too much!"

    We haven't failed to miss the desperation coming from you and your boyfriends, John W. We're going to mop the floor with your homosexual "equality" agenda, John.

    Your three stooge judges in Iowa have gone back to chasing ambulances. You can bid on their judge robes on Ebay.

    The legislatures of New York and New Jersey, who are subject to a VOTE, decided they would rather be re-elected than support your agenda.

    The Supreme Court of New Jersey summarily dismissed the case brought by a couple of gays trying to do an end run around the New Jersey legislature.

    You failed to keep Prop 8 off the ballot, despite your best efforts.

    While you were already celebrating the defeat of Prop 8, as the polls predicted it would lose by 52% to 48%, it PASSED by 52% to 48%. Now you are having to take it to the courts. What is looming ahead for you is the U. S. Supreme Court. ROFL!

    The governor and legislature of Maine passed homosexual marriage but something happened on the way to the flower shop. NOM rode into town. Your homomatrimony got put and hold and, as always, when put to a vote where normal people, the majority, could express their will, two men, like you and your boyfriend, can't tie the knot. What a shame, John!

    The best part is that starting in January, when the new Congress convenes, Gayocrats won't control the House any more! Nancy "San Francisco" Pelosi won't be Speaker any more. She's already been booted out of her luxurious office and can't catch any more free rides on military jets at taxpayer expense. Aw, what a shame!

    Even better is that the legislatures of 21, count 'em, 21 states, have gone from Gayocrat to Republican. Oh, my, my. You're agenda is in deep doo doo now, John! You see, John, state legislators, unlike some judges, are subject to that terrible vote of the majority thingy. They know that over 97% of the electorate is normal, heterosexual people. Things aren't looking too good for your cause, John.

    Last but not least, homosexual activists have now revealed to America what they really are; child abusers. The "FCKH8" videos have backfired on your "cause". Heteros who might tolerate homosexual marriage won't tolerate child abuse. It really makes them go bonkers to see minor children abused and pimped off by homosexual activists in order to make a few bucks. Ugly, John, ugly!

    Your homosexual marriage agenda is like a tree which has been cut through. All that's left is the falling over.

  30. John W
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    What the hell are you talking about Don? My boyfriends? I've been with the same man for 20 years now....are you married Don? If so for how long? I'm certain it's your first marriage right? Hard to preach about the sanctity of marriage when you dumped wife 3 for wife 4....but we don't need to bring up the hypocrites like Rush and McCain now ......You honestly don't think the impact of DADT will affect marriage rights Don? It's only a matter of time. You're just the George Wallace of your day....you'll be despised for years as being a backwards cracker. Here's a news flash for you Donnie, women can vote now and blacks are no longer property. It's called progress or *shudder* ....E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N....if you really want to protect the sanctity of marriage work on getting rid of divorce....see how popular that will be with your base imbecile .
    You may want to read up on the facts about pedophiles too while you're at it.....because the facts only tarnish your scare tactics. If you want to use pedophile stats we should be forbidding straight people from marrying! According to Mahrin Raman, Case Western Reserve University, over 90 percent of molesters in the United States in 2000 were male offenders abusing females, and over 90 percent were acquaintances or family members. Tell you what Don....while you're trying to disprove that fact why don't you also try and find an example of a right we give to some adult members or our country but refuse to other adult U.S citizens. Good luck with that.........

  31. Don
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    John W. wrote: "You're just the George Wallace of your day...."

    You've got that backward, John W. It is homosexuals who are just like George Wallace:

    "Racism within the Castro is nothing new, many report. "In the Castro, which is supposed to be the mecca of the gay community, there's no place for Black people," stated Swazzi Sowo, a former board member of San Francisco Pride. "The racism is so prevalent in the white gay community. In one particular store, a manager I know doesn't work there anymore, because people would come in and say, 'Look, there's a n***** working there." Sowo said that on three different occasions, she has been called racial epithets on the street. "It's like the '50s in Mississippi."

    http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=1812

  32. John W
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    That's all youve got? Some hearsay? Couldn't address much of the points in my post I see. Lame

  33. Don
    Posted January 1, 2011 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Thank you very much, John W, for irrefutably proving my point. You couldn't have done a better job if you were on our side of the issue!

    Here we have a real, on the ground, first person account from an African-American homosexual person of their experiences with racial discrimination in the gay community and how do you treat that? You discount it by calling it "hearsay".

    You are so steeped in racial discrimination that you no longer even realize when you are actively practicing it!

    The above quote is not "hearsay", John. It is a FIRST PERSON account by Swazzi Sowo who was on the Board of San Francisco Pride.That is about as far from "hearsay" as you can get!

    The important thing, though, is how you have treated this first person account right here in the NOM blog. You are DEAF to it! You DISMISS it out of hand. You are dsimissive of people of color, even gay people of color, when they speak to you of the discrimination they are experiencing from white gays. And you're going to invoke the name of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and tell us that your "movement" for homosexual "marriage" is part of the civil rights movement?

  34. Don
    Posted January 1, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    John W wrote: "Lame."

    I see that you are equally insensitive to the physically challenged as well. You're some guy, John!

  35. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Don-Don-Don,

    Pigeon hole much? One black person say's they found racism in the gay community so all gay people must be racist. That's all you've got? Timothy Mcveigh was both white, christian and a terrorist. So that must be true of all white christians.....they're all terrorists if I use your rationale.
    So try answering some of my questions Don.
    Are you Married?
    How long have you been married?
    Is this your first , second or third marriage?
    Did you need my permission to get married?

  36. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    "I have faced more blatant racism within the gay community than the straight community."

    http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/racism-gay-lesbian/1-white-racism-america.htm#african-american

  37. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    "Racism within the Castro is nothing new, many report. "In the Castro, which is supposed to be the mecca of the gay community, there's no place for Black people," stated Swazzi Sowo, a former board member of San Francisco Pride. "The racism is so prevalent in the white gay community. In one particular store, a manager I know doesn't work there anymore, because people would come in and say, 'Look, there's a n***** working there." Sowo said that on three different occasions, she has been called racial epithets on the street. "It's like the '50s in Mississippi."

    http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=1812

  38. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    "A 2002 survey of 2,600 gay black men attending pride celebrations, though unscientific in selection, found that 48 percent of respondents thought racism was a problem among white gays."

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/26/PRIDE.TMP

  39. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    "And to make matters worse, the majority of the racism, sexism, classism, and straight-up cultural insensitivity I've encountered since moving here has come from the gay community."

    http://www.citypages.com/2009-03-18/news/jamez-smith-a-gay-black-man-says-racism-is-alive-in-the-twin-cities-gay-community/

  40. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    "In 2006, there were reports of verbal attacks on gay Latinos by gay whites in The Castro district of San Francisco. John Mendoza, a protest organizer against racism in the Castro, said he was told by a gay white male to "go back to Mexico, you (expletive deleted) wetback, where you belong".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_LGBT_community

  41. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    "It is sad to me, as a born U.S. citizen and gay Latino man, that because of my skin color and size I am a target of hate and racism," said Mendoza. "In a community that right now is fighting for equal rights and gay marriage, this type of hate and outright racism is alive and well."

    http://racerelations.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php%3Fsec=news%26article=772

  42. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    "Racism in the gay community is as rampant as homophobia in the Black community."

    http://jasmynecannick.typepad.com/jasmynecannickcom/2006/10/white_gays_grou.html

  43. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    "Anti-Asian sentiment remains one of the last prejudices tacitly if not overtly condoned in the gay community. Even more than anti-fat, anti-aging or the other "anti’s" (racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, even geographic snobbery), prejudice against Asians seems to be endemic in the wider community, especially American gay urban affluent men."

    http://www.edgeprovidence.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=features&sc3=&id=109413

  44. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    "It is not at all unusual to come across one particularly exclusionary triad: "No fatties, no femmes, no Asians." The "not into Asians" is virtually a mantra in personal ads, as Internet users hide behind their virtual anonymity to use racially-charged, taunting language."

    "Such experiences mirror that of the discrimination against many men trying to get into nightclubs because bar owner fear a club’s reputation will suffer if it becomes "too Asian"--a trend New York City’s GAPIMNY is attempting to document and, ultimately, prevent."

    http://www.edgeprovidence.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=109887

  45. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    White Christian Terrorist.

  46. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, John, I pigeon hole a LOT, especailly when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    You are equal opportunity people. You discriminate agaist all minorities equally; African-American, Latino, Asian.

    It's not really necessary that you be a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. They back your agenda anyway:

    "Be it further resolved that the Communist Party step up its efforts to work for full equality for LGBT people; and,"

    "Be it further resolved to establish a National Commission of the Party on the fight for LGBT rights and equality."

    "Adopted by the 28th National Convention of the Communist Party, USA, Chicago, IL; July 1-3, 2005"

    http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-usa-resolution-on-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-rights/

  47. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    gawker.com/.../homophobic-republicans-find-new-reason-to-thwart-dont-ask -dont-tell-repeal

  48. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    http://www.mnprogressiveproject.com/diary/6539/rudy-takala-racist-homophobic-violent-and-a-rising-republican-star

  49. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Jhon W wrtoe: "White Christian Terrorist."

    I am reporting this to the federal authorities immediately.

    Moderator, if you are not John W, please notify him of this using his email.

  50. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republicans_are_racist

  51. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    So Don....are you married or not? This is after all the National Organization for Marriage is it not? Try and stay on topic sir!

  52. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Hey, you guys even do BULLYING too!

    "In his continuing zeal to discredit the ex-gay community, Besen likes to bully ex-gays by insisting that we still look “gay.” When he was Director of Communications for the Human Rights Campaign, Besen delighted in telling me to “butch up” so “normal people” wouldn’t think I’m still “gay.”

    http://americansfortruth.com/news/pfox-gays-hating-ex-gays-new-hate-crimes-bill-threatens-heterosexuals.html

    Don't you have any concen that you might cause ex-gays to cmmit suicide?

  53. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Man up already Don.

    Try and stay on topic....let me remind you what the topic is.....Marriage equality.

  54. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Ex Gays? Please Don.
    Let's talk ex heterosexuals......of the republican variety.

    You know....the kind that have a wide stance and reach under airport stalls? LOL !

  55. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    "White Christian Terrorist."

    Hey, that's on topic, LOL!

  56. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    OK, John, let's talk homosexual marriage:

    “The Rev. Walter E. Fauntroy, former democratic congressman and the architect of the 1963 March on Washington, calls same-sex marriage an ‘abomination’ that could destroy society … ‘For most black Americans who know our history, we do not want further confusion about what a marriage and a family happen to be.”
    — Phuong Ly and Hamil R. Harris, The Washington Post

    “The Congress of Racial Equality has fought against invidious discrimination and prejudice for over 60 years. We take it very seriously… Lifestyles changes and choices are not the moral equivalent of racial, religious and ethnic protection. While I will fight for the individual right of any one of any particular lifestyle, I will not equate and elevate it to the same moral high ground that we had in the civil rights movement in the 50’s and 60’s. Sexual orientation is not on the same moral high ground as race…”
    — Roy Innis, Congress of Racial Equality

  57. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Hey, look at that, "former DEMOCRATIC Congressman", Reverend Walter E. Fauntroy!

  58. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    The Pew Foundation, one of the nation's most respected survey research organizations, issued a report today confirming what several recent media polls have shown: that public support for same-sex marriage is steadily increasing.
    http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/hunter_of_justice/2010/10/pew-data-confirm-growing-support-for-marriage-equality.html

  59. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    In recognition of Black History Month, here are a few key African-American leaders who support the freedom to marry:

    Charles Barkley

    Hall of Famer and 11-time NBA all-star Charles Barkley won the MVP in 1993, played in two Olympic games, and was named one of the top 50 basketball players of all time. In an interview with CNN's Campbell Brown on October 27, 2008, Barkley declared his support for marriage equality, saying, "I am a big gay marriage guy."

    Julian Bond

    NAACP Chairman and founder of the Student NonViolent Coordinating Committee Julian Bond is one of the most prominent figures in the Black Civil Rights Movement. In a 2006 speech at the University of Virginia, Bond noted, "Marriage is a civil right. If you don’t want gay people to marry in your church, good for you. But you can’t say they can’t marry in your city."

    Rev. Michael Eric Dyson

    Author and professor Rev. Michael Eric Dyson was named by Essence magazine as one of the 50 most inspiring African Americans In an interview with Tavis Smiley, Rev. Dyson said, "The ability to marry whomever one chooses is a civil rights issue, one not best left to high-minded moralists. Our feathers needn't be ruffled by gays and lesbians who seek to tie the knot of matrimony."

    Whoopi Goldberg

    The award winning actress Whoopi Goldberg often says, "If you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person." She has been a longtime supporter of civil rights for LGBT people and in fall 2008, she marched with 15,000 New Yorkers in protest of Proposition 8.

    Melissa Harris-Lacewell

    Princeton University professor and writer Melissa Harris-Lacewell has provided political and cultural commentary for The Chicago Tribune, The Los Angeles Times, Crain's Chicago Business and Newsday and on NBC and MSNBC. In the October 2009 issue of The Nation, she said "My fierce commitment to marriage equality derives, in part, from my personal biography as an interracial child, descended from American slaves, and raised in Virginia, beginning less than a decade after the Loving decision. Even though I am heterosexual, marriage equality is personal. I learn from the history of racial and interracial marriage exclusion that the denial of marriage rights to same-sex couples is wrong."

    Coretta Scott-King

    Coretta Scott King (1927-2006), wife of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was an active civil rights activist in her own right helping to organize the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott and actively advocating civil rights legislation, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In speaking out against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have amended the U.S. Constitution to bar same-sex couples from marriage she said, "A Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."

    Rev. Eric Lee

    Rev. Eric Lee is president/CEO of the Los Angeles chapter of The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the 50-year-old civil rights organization founded by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr About the freedom to marry, Rev. Lee has said, "Marriage equality is a civil rights issue. Anytime one group of people is denied the rights another group of people enjoy, it is fundamentally a denial of civil rights."

    Gov. Deval Patrick

    Gov. Deval Patrick became the first African-American to be elected governor of Massachusetts in 2006. A strong supporter of the freedom to marry, Gov. Patrick has said, "People come before their government as equals... If the government is going to give marriage licenses to anyone, it has to give them to everyone, regardless of whether the spouse you choose is of the same gender."

    Russell Simmons

    Hip hop impresario and co-founder of Def Jam Records Russell Simmons sent an open letter to New York Governor David Paterson in support of marriage equality in April 2009, and then in October 2009 participated in the Love Unites Shepard Fairey Equality Project, an advocacy project created to raise awareness of LGBT equality.

    Wanda Sykes

    The stand up comic and TV actress who was named one of Entertainment Weekly's 25 Funniest People in America in 2004 has long been a supporter of LGBT equality. She came out publicly to announce her marriage to her wife in the wake of the passage of Prop 8 in California saying "We shouldn't have to be standing out here demanding something we automatically should have as citizens of this country."Go to [Link] for more Voices for Equality

  60. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    ROFL! I LOVE it, John! Thanks for the laugh!

    Charles Barkely:

    "Oh no, Sir Charles!"

    "Hoops legend Charles Barkley was busted for suspected drunken driving Wednesday - and made things worse by admitting he was rushing to pick up a woman for a sex act."

    "I was going to drive around the corner and get [oral sex]," the basketball Hall of Famer told police in Scottsdale, Ariz., a police report said."

    "He said the woman had performed the sex act for him last week and "it was the best one he had ever had," the report said."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/12/31/2008-12-31_charles_barkley_admitted_he_was_looking_.html#ixzz19tqw9Fpa

  61. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Coretta Scott-King....heard of her Don? She was married to the Rev Martin Luthur King....the same one who's name you like to throw around.

    Why are you so afraid to answer my question? I'll ask you again....one at a time.

    Are You Married?

  62. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Hey, John, no fair trying to cut down your list now, YOU put Charles Barkley at the TOP of your list.

    Somehow I don't think that homosexual "marriage" supporter Sir Charles Barkley rises to the status of Reverend Fauntroy, the architect of the 1963 March on Washington, or Roy Innis of the Congress of Racial Equality.

    Now you are certainly welcome to put Sir Charles at the very top your list of homosexual "marriage" supporters but I'll stick with Reverend Fauntroy and Roy Innis for the top of my list, if that's OK with you.

    Sir Charles said, "I am a big gay marriage guy." Hey, that's potent. On the other hand, Reverend Fauntroy calls homosexual "marriage" an abomination and states that, it could destroy society. He futher indicates how homosexual "marrige" would hurt the African-American community:

    "For most black Americans who know our history, we do not want further confusion about what a marriage and a family happen to be.”

    Given the plethora, NOT ONE PERSON, of examples I have given above of the blatant racisim in the homosexual community, it is not at all surprising that your movement wouldn't care if your marriage agenda hurts African-Americans or not.

  63. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Are you Married?

  64. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Well, John, if you want to skip around on your list of homosexual "marriage" supporters, we can do that.

    Let's see... Whoopi Goldberg!

    Miss Whoopi got herself in a little hot water over her comments regarding the legal problems of Roman Polanski, film director and husband of the late Sharon Tate. What, exactly, did Whoopi say?

    "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."

    What is she talking about? Well, Polanski was dealing with this and so decided to flee the United States rather than face the music:

    "On March 10, 1977, Polanski, then aged 43, became embroiled in a scandal involving 13-year-old Samantha Gailey (now Samantha Geimer).[9] A grand jury charged Polanski with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under fourteen, and furnishing a controlled substance to a minor,[10] which ultimately led to Polanski's guilty plea to the charge of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case

    Little wonder that you homosexual "marriage" activists aren't at all concerned about the "FCKH8" videos!

  65. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Why are you afraid to answer the question?

    Are you Married?

  66. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Ah, but that isn't the WHOLE story about the homosexual "marriage" supporter you listed, Whoopi Goldberg!

    "Whoopi Goldberg defends her claim that 'bonehead' Mel Gibson isn't a racist
    BY Kristie Cavanagh
    DAILY NEWS WRITER"

    "Thursday, July 15th 2010, 10:37 AM"

    "Whoopi Goldberg caused an uproar when she defended Mel Gibson on Monday's episode of "The View" - and despite a slew of angry phone calls, the TV host is sticking by her statements."

    "There has been a lot of hassle ... in the media recently about moi because I had the audacity to say that I had some personal time with Mel that goes over years and years and said that I did not think of him as a racist," Goldberg said on Thursday's episode of "The View."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/07/15/2010-07-15_whoopi_goldberg_sticks_by_her_defense_of_mel_gibson_on_the_view.html

    Well what did Mel say which might make some think that he is a racist? What is it which Whoopi is defending?

    "WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Mel Gibson's Racist Rant Caught On Tape - Tells Oksana She Would Get 'Raped By N***ers'

    "In one of the most explosive, racist and vile outbursts by a celebrity ever caught on tape, Mel Gibson told the mother of his love child that the way she was dressed would get her "raped by a pack of n***ers," RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively."

    "It's a shocking and blockbuster development in the couple's bitter legal battle, and Mel's disgusting words are on audio tape. His racist, misogynist statement is one of the secrets lurking in his war with his former girlfriend Oksana Grigorieva."

    "RadarOnline.com has heard the tape, which also includes Mel telling Oksana he will burn down her home."

    "Drunken Mel previously shocked the world with his anti-Semetic comments when busted for DUI. Now, the new racist outburst has taken the Oscar winner to an even deeper low."

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-mel-gibsons-racist-rant-caught-tape-tells-oksana-she-would-get

    No wonder that the homosexual community doesn't have any problem practicing racism. Whoopi defends it!

  67. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    You must be under the delusion that you are an Iowa Supreme Court judge and can compell me to answer your questions, LOL!

    I've already answered that, in detail, here in the NOM blogs. Go find it.

    Anyway, why do you care if I'm married or not. You've already declared me to be a "White Christian Terrorist".

    Federal authorities! Federal authorities!

  68. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Well if one white christian is a terrorist than they must all be.....your logic Don, not mine. Guess your marital status is a sore spot for you. Sorry if I hit a nerve.

  69. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    ROFL! John, you couldn't hit a nerve with a 16 inch gun on a stationary battleship at half a mile, LOL!

    The only way you're ever going to hit a nerve is if you become a dentist, LOL!

  70. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh, so your affirming that I'm a, "White Christian Terrorist"!

    Federal authorities! Federal authorities!

  71. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    It's "You're" affirming......wish you'd affirm for me if you are married or not...and if you are, if it's your first or second or third marriage.....but you don't have the guts to be honest with me.

  72. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Yo! I already told you, John, that I have answered the question of my marital status is detail in the NOM blogs. Now if you want it so badly, get off of your duff and go find it. Stop being so lazy. Sweat a little, will 'ya, LOL!

  73. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    I'm not going to sift thru this site just to find out you're divorced and couldn't keep your marriage together. Since you won't answer I'll just have to assume the sanctity of your marriages couldn't be saved.

  74. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Want much, John?

    I have already given you countless statements confriming the existence of rampant racial discriminaton in the homosexual community aganist African-Americans, Latinos and Asians.

    I have already provided you with statments by Reverened Fauntnroy and Roy Innis that homosexual "marriage" is an "abominination" that could destoy society and that it doesn't rise to the same moral high ground as race.

    I've shown you that Charles Barkley, at the top of your list of homosexual marriage suppoters, was stopped for suspicion of drunk driving and admitted to being on his way to yet another rendezvous for oral sex.

    I've already provided you with documentation of how another of your homosexual marriage supporters, Whoopi Goldberg, got into hot water for her comments in minimizing the crimes of Roman Polanski who plead guilty to unlawful intercourse with a minor and then skipped out of the country to avoid being sentenced and serving his prison term.

    I've also provided you with documentation of how Whoopi again got herself in hot water for stating that Mel Gibson is NOT a racist after he used the "N" word while being filmed on video.

    I've already provided you proof that the Communist Party backs your homosexual "equality" agenda.

    After I have provided you ALL of that, you now want me to provide you with yet MORE information, this time about my marital status, and you aren't even willing to make the slighest effort to find it for yourself in the NOM blogs where it already exists.

    John, you're high maintenance, Dude, LOL! ;-)

  75. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Let me see if I have this right, John. I can do independent research, dig out relevant information for you and post it here WITH links for your convenience but you aren't even willing to search through the NOM blogs to find existing information on my marital status which you have asked me for repeatedly. Is that about it?

    Hey, John, YOU do a little work for a change, LOL!

  76. John W
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    You've provided everything but what I have asked for.
    You post links. I post links. You rarely stay on topic but go off on tangents to try and derail the discussion.

    It's an old tactic. It's annoying and proves to me that you can't discuss the topic of gay marriage because your arguments are hollow and lack substance. I don't wish to waste anymore of my time with your nonsense.

  77. Don
    Posted January 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Alright, John, that's fine. Don't waste any more time with my nonsense. Cheers! :-)

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