10 Comments

1. John P Wenck JR
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 10:58 am | Permalink

   You can't reason with people whose minds are futile and have a foolish heart...Romans 1:21.

2. Paul McMichael
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink

   Just as race finally reached a critical level where being racist became unacceptable in public discourse, so has anti-gay rhetoric (not polite discourse, spoken in everyday terminology of beliefs and conscience, currently mostly absent from the debates on marriage) become a social no-no. Listen to Bryan Fischer or Peter Sprigg and tell me this is an acceptable way to speak about LBGT people (not just marriage rights).

   The self-governing laws of what is 'polite' are variable, transient, unspoken. But nonetheless they apply wrt gay rights more and more. Christians are not oppressed for their beliefs but they are being challenging hard on what is acceptably polite. If a gay teen doesn't want to hear the anti-gay hate from other so-called christian teens, then shouldn't have to have such talk imposed on them.

   This whole paradigm is about balancing rights to speak and others not to have hate pushed on them.

   Who gets to define 'hate'?

   No one really - it is a question of what becomes regarded as hate, whatever the intentions of the speaker. i.e. this is a clash of cultures.

   The video is well meant but futile. The prevailing cultural paradigm doesn't want to hear and shouldn't have hate imposed on them. Keep it to the churches and radio shows and websites where you are preaching to the choir.

3. TC Matthews
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

   Paul, free yourself. The first amendment doesn't apply to just you, friend. It applies to all those who disagree with you as well. People are always free to disagree, whether you like it or not. It's wrong for you or those who sympathize with your beliefs to try to silence debate on such a crucial topic such as marriage and freedom.

4. OvercameSSA
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

   @Paul said: "The prevailing cultural paradigm doesn't want to hear and shouldn't have hate imposed on them."

   #1 - People have the right to speak out against that with which they disagree. People who do not support so-called ss"m" are not hateful; they merely disagree with those who do support it.

   #2 - Nothwithstanding #1, we do not control thoughts in this country, and hatred is a thought. Homosexuals need to be careful in advocating for thought control in light of the recent "hateful" acts committed by ss"m" supporters against supporters of true marriage. The real "haters" are showing their true colors.

5. Seaborn Roddenberry
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

   TC you obviously don't understand the First Amendment.

   Being labelled by your peers as hateful or unpopular does not infringe on your First Amendment rights.

   Being jailed for speech does.

6. Daughter of Eve
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

   Paul brings up some points which are answered beautifullly in this article, "Gay is Not the New Black," in which the author identifies the problem with gay identity politics: gay is undientifiable:

   http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/07/19/gay-is-not-the-new-black/

7. TC Matthews
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

   Seaborn, You should read more. Having speech labeled "hate" simply because you disagree with it is an affront to the first amendment in a country which criminalizes speech it deems as "hate speech".

8. Publius
   Posted August 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

   Great video. More people should see it. If people see it, it will not be a futile exercise.

   Classical liberals stood for the maxim attributed to Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

   Liberals then stood for the Berkeley free speech movement, which was all about mainstreaming vulgarity.

   Now liberals stand for politically correct speech codes and labeling disagreement as hate and bigotry.

   We get it. The churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples need to understand that they will be forced into the closet if they stand idly by in this culture war. The next battleground will be the schools.

9. Fitz
   Posted August 23, 2012 at 12:08 am | Permalink

   great video..

   What needs to be remebered is that gay "marriage" activists had this gamed out from the begining.

   They use hate & bigot not so much because they believe that but precisley BECAUSE of the muting effect it has. This has always been the basis of leftism and it revolutionary approach to overthrowing insitutions..

   They dont broker dissent because they CANNOT allow for competeing viewpoints to interfere with there carefully laid plans.

   They NEED to silence and marginalize opposition because they would never be succesfull otherwise.

   Does anyone believe that we would have gay "marriage" anywhere in the world if it came form a rational, fully informed discussion?

10. Preserve Marriage
    Posted August 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    If more people don't start voicing their opinions soon, marriage will be redefined in this country.

    If they do, it won't be.