A group of 23 LGBT organizations denounced the shooting of the FRC guard. This is good. The debate about whether delegitimizing dissent by calling it "hate" played a role in this will have to play out over the next few weeks. We hope sincerely these groups reconsider the rhetoric, frequently expressed, that all opposition to gay marriage is motivated by hatred and a desire to discriminate.
A note on NOM's policies: we denounce all violence and harassment against all Americans on either side of the gay marriage divide. We believe good people disagree even on very important moral issues like the future of marriage. We have repeatedly said that we see gay people as part of America --friends, neighbors and fellow citizens-- with whom we agree on some things and disagree on others.
NOM's comment policy does not permit suggestions of violence of any kind. Any comments like that will be deleted as soon as we get a chance to review them.
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NOM: We see your side's lies and distortions vilifying gays and lesbians every single day. We see the comments left by your supporters who routinely refer to gays and lesbians as perverts and suggest that LGBT people a danger to children and that they hate America and want to destroy it. And that's just for starters. When Bryan Fischer of the AFA suggests that the children of gay people should be kidnapped and smuggled via an "underground railroad", you can't ignore it then come out a week later claiming that you're not motivated by hatred or a desire to discriminate. When has NOM ever condemned a specific act of violence against and LGBT person based on their sexual orientation? Violence is never called for but if you don't want to be labeled as hateful, stop promoting hate. Instead, you want to silence equality supporters' criticism of your vile tactics. It's not going to work that way. You will undoubtedly continue to use euphemisms to describe your agenda. We will continue to call it what it is.
@Jake4156,
"you want to silence equality supporters' criticism of your vile tactics"
Are you referring to the vile tactic of being honest? Or the audacity of not accepting your blatant lies and falsehoods as the truth according to you so help you you?
You do know that your side has more in common with decadent South of the 1800's than they do with the righteous North of that same period don't you? Did you know that the U.S. threatened to withhold monies from the U.N. if it did not roll back support of NAMBLA because NAMBLA was an admitted anti-American hate group; that until 1996 NAMBLA was member in good standing with the "LGBT?"
@Jake
You misunderstand disagreement with suggestions of acts of violence.
“Violence is never called for...” Tell it to the millions of Americans who make a living off of violence by working for the biggest violence machine in the world, the US military machine. If nothing else, its called for for economic reasons, and to keep the US and Western economic machine afloat... Over 40 percent of the worlds military spending is done by one country USA. And apart from economic reasons the Pentagon, police forces, state laws and natural laws would have a long list of times when violence is called for.
NOM is right own in clearly denouncing any violence around the subject of this cultural war issue of our day. And they are right own for not backing down, but continuing to stand up for what they feel is right and good for the society.
Words can be violent and emotions can be violent, but they must be controlled and rationalized as best can be. And our American way of communication on these issues are very often through expressions of arrogance, humiliation, insults, lack of respect and the like. Just ask President Obama, Dan Savage, politicians, mayors and mainstream media across the country. They are the first to use this form of communication. It is absurd communication – but an effective tool of manipulation that does not hinge on rationality nor reason.
Those opposing the violent none existing arguments toward taking away the only word in the English language that signals out the man-woman committed union, often have no choice but to speak the absurd, empty and disrespectful language of the SS”m” supporters and instigators. To be heard one often has to speak on the mental and emotional level of those spoken to. And admittedly the SS”m” supporters are at a very low level of communication.
"Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down" - Orson Scott Card
Does your "no violent comments" policy apply to your Board of Directors?
As a parent, I stand completely with Mr. Card above.
No government shall ever be able to compel the parents of this nation to surrender their children to homosexualist indoctrination.
Please believe me.
You guys have no chance.
Mr. Card's statement is nonsensical. "regardless of how the law defines marriage, the law will only define marriage they way I want it to".
Oh, and NOM had never condemned violence against LGBT people, I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.
Rick - I suppose you don't want to surrender your children to evolutionist indoctrination either? I will never surrender my children to hateful, ignorant Christianist indoctrination. I'm not overly concerned though - you and your ilk will swept into the dustpile of history soon enough.
Jake:
The evolutionist has a story to tell, and if one accepts the metaphysical assumptions, it can be a compelling narrative.
The advocate of homosexual marriage is so completely cut off from basic understanding of biology itself, that we see it is not an attempt at science, or at reason, but instead an attempt to enforce a blind rejection of gender as a physical reality upon the rest of the world.
The evolutionist can be easily defeated by recourse to scientific method.
The homosexual marriage advocate is completely immune to logic and reason.
The case for evolution is overwhelming...and so is the case against same-sex "marriage".
Jake you need to heed your own words and look in the mirror.
"Violence is never called for [...] if you don't want to be labeled as hateful, stop promoting hate. Instead, you want to silence [those who disagree with you and the SSM campaign's] your vile tactics."
Louis:
We agree as to the second proposition.
As to the first, I would be delighted to examine it at my blog.