Comments on: SSM and the Manufacture of Consent

By: Spunky

Spunky — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:38:49 +0000

It looks like Michael Worley beat me to the punch.

By: Daughter of Eve

Daughter of Eve — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:53:47 +0000

They don't Pat.

By: Pat

Pat — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:23:24 +0000

Why exactly do other people NEED your consent to live peacefully in the first place?

By: Spunky

Spunky — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:16:29 +0000

The article claims

Last spring, just prior to a similar vote in North Carolina, highly regarded Public Policy Polling reported 55 percent - 41 percent in favor. Same sex marriage went down in flames there, 61 percent to 39 percent -- a huge 16 point discrepancy between polling and balloting. — Same-Sex Marriage and the Manufacture of Consent

But as Rob Tisinai points out,

Wow — you mean polling had support for marriage equality at 55%, but actually voting only came to 39%? What an embarrassment… …for the Washington Examiner. PPP’s 55% polling figure represented opposition to marriage equality. Yes, there’s still a difference when it comes to the actual vote, but there’s no “huge 16 point discrepancy.” Looks like they’ll need to find a new way of dismissing the recent Maryland poll. — Just a Quick Laugh

Here's the PPP source.

By: Daughter of Eve

Daughter of Eve — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:54:19 +0000

One thing we can say, Chairm, is they've been consistently inconsistent.

By: Chairm

Chairm — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:09:40 +0000

Interestingly, SSMers routinely denounce majority opinion as mob rule. Except, you know, when they hope to claim the majority favors the SSM idea. Oh, then, the majority is golden.

Even when they manufacture the majority out of ... what?

Hypocrits.

By: AM

AM — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:04:53 +0000

A mile wide but an inch deep.
Shallow arguments make for shallow support.

By: OvercameSSA

OvercameSSA — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:57:09 +0000

The process does create fragile support. In fact, we've learned that whatever support there may in fact be is often swept away when a voter is inside the voting booth and has the opportunity to truly consider the issue.

By: Barb Chamberlan

Barb Chamberlan — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:49:02 +0000

I've come to suspect the numbers are completely fabricated, that no polling is done at all.

The only reason anyone supports marriage redefinition is that they're too busy and/or lazy to learn of its many negative consequences to society.

The sound bites sound good on the surface, and they're repeated ad nauseum by the complicit media. Besides, my uncle's dentist is gay. Therefore it must be a good idea, right?

Those who actually take the time to learn something about marriage redefinition are very unlikely to support it.

By: Michael Worley

Michael Worley — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:31:20 +0000

in favor of banning same-sex marriage, I mean.

By: Michael Worley

Michael Worley — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:30:45 +0000

Remove this one.

The author mischarachterized the PPP poll. It was 6 points off, not 16. 55 were in favor of banning the same-sex marriage amendment

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/05/final-nc-primary-poll.html

By: Ash

Ash — Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:27:48 +0000

Excellent article.

I've always figured that the constant citing of polls, the words of celebrity talking heads, and the pervasive dialogue style in the media which all but assumes that ssm is a good thing, are part of a strategy to convince marriage supporters that they are alone in their beliefs. Needless to say, the strategy hasn't worked. Too many people are unwilling to let go of marriage. They may quiet down when told that everyone disagrees with them, but they sure let loose in the voting booth--only to find out that they are really in the majority.

Another great piece with Doug Mainwaring's name on it.