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From Iconic to Ironic – Steve Jobs Transformation into Big Brother

 

Apparently Apple Computers “got the memo” that it is “OK” to discriminate against Christians. Leading that charge is their Chairman/CEO Steve Jobs. Despite one of the highest positive ratings available (4+), Apple pulled an app developed by the Manhattan Declaration—a group of 500,000 Christians who have publicly declared their support for traditional marriage, life and religious liberty—from their iTunes store.

NOM is fighting back with this powerful new video calling on all Christians to email Jobs and demand that they reinstate the app to the iTunes store.

Steve Jobs is an iconic figure, a legendary marketer who sprang to public attention in 1984 with his famous ad promoting the Macintosh computer by taking on “Big Brother.” Since then, Jobs has made billions in his information age battle against Big Brother. Ironically, in deciding to pull the Manhattan Declaration app, Steve Jobs has become “Big Brother.”

The app in question would help Christians sign the Manhattan Declaration and encourage their friends and family to likewise do so. It was approved by Apple reviewers and rated 4+, certified to contain no offensive material. Yet Apple pulled the app after an online petition by gay marriage activists. An Apple spokesperson said the app was “offensive to large groups of people.”

What’s offensive is the action of Steve Jobs. Jobs allows applications in support of gay marriage and abortion. Planned Parenthood has an app, so do several gay marriage groups. There’s an app to sign petitions to repeal Proposition 8 in California. And there is even an app coming to allow gay marriage backers to “report” priests and pastors who preach about the sanctity of marriage!

NOM is not going to be bullied as Jobs and Apple insult Christians and the majority of Americans who support marriage as the union of men and women. This is the latest attempt by technology billionaires to marginalize and isolate marriage supporters, attempting to drive us form the public square.

CONTACT STEVE JOBS

We don’t have the resources to compete with a billionaire like Steve Jobs. But we do have grassroots supporters like you! Please watch the video and then share it with all your family and friends. Ask them to take action by contacting Steve Jobs and demand that they reinstate the Manhattan Declaration app. Click here to send an email to Steve Jobs and other members of the Apple board.

Please help us spread the word about this incredible video by making a donation to NOM today. NOM is fighting hard to preserve marriage, including in legislatures, in court and in the court of public opinion – even when billionaires try to stop us.

Steve Jobs has built Apple into one of the most powerful companies in the world by helping develop the information age, making billions in profits in the process. We certainly don’t object to him making money by marketing devices for consumers to access the incredible amount of information that is available today through the Internet, social media and other sources. What we do object to, however, is Jobs censoring that information, especially when it comes to something as important as the preservation of marriage.

81 Comments

  1. Mark Godbey
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I will never buy Apple Products again, and will tell all of my friends to boycott all of your products because of your censorship.

    Mark Godbey

  2. Mark Godbey
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    I will boycott all of your products and tell all of my friends to boycott, as well.

  3. Don
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    I contacted Steve Jobs about this issue. I also let him know that because of his action that none of my friends or family will be purchasing his products.
    Take a bite out of the apple! ;-)

  4. RBC
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Apple is a privite company, free to fend of discrimination as they see fit. I'll by two Ipods this Christmas Don, to make up for you and your friends however intended purcheses. ;-) I sure hope Steve Jobs is laughing at you all, just as the rest of America does and/or will do.

  5. Marcia L Castro
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Steve,
    Which group is larger, the gay activist or the Christian population. So they find it offensive? One day all of us, including you, will have to stand before God. He is not going to ask us how successful were rather He will ask what we did for Him. Hope you have a good answer; He excepts no excuses. I am sorry I will not be buying any of your products and will ask my fellow parishioners in our bulletin not to support Apple. You know the saying well I'm sure, "all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the whole darn bunch!"

  6. Mike Brooks
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I'm emailing Jobs, pronto.

    Interesting use of the word "bullying" in this post. YES! The real bullies are the homosexuals, bullying protectors of marriage.

    Way to stop those bigots from co-opting yet another term.

    Everyone already has the right to get married. Some choose not to do so. Let's strive to KEEP EQUALITY in access to marriage, and not grant special privileges to those who seek to destroy it!

  7. jyuichi
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I contacted Steve.

    To tell him how much I appreciate someone standing up against bigotry. Against hate. Against you.

    The offending part of that app was one question on a quiz that asked "Do you support SSM?" if you checked YES the app told you you were wrong. Wrong for supporting equal rights.If the app said you were wrong for supporting interracial marriage would apple be right to ban it? of course.

    A revised version of the app (without the quiz) has already been submitted but I suspect that won't stop NOM for taking credit for it when its approved.

    Apple has never pretended their store takes anything. They focus on positive family-friendly apps. Denying rights is anything but. If users want to view other things on their iphone they can, it has a full browser. That's how I viewed your video.

    Apple's view is not new. They have donated against prop8. I was proud to own a mac then. I'd just bought this one and I bought a iPhone a year later as well as purchased a mac as a gift for my dad this year. @Don, your sales won't be missed for there are many like me to take your place.

  8. Ted Kershaw
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Steve: You are a very rich guy. I'm asking you to do something to improve the world. You will agree, its a pretty sad place. Take a stand behind the Manhatten Declaration. Who knows, you might just improve the place. Bill did it!

  9. Jerry
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    We will Boycott Apple and his Arrogance, GOD BLESS AMERICA & TRADITIONAL MARRAIGE!

  10. yvonne lepiane
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    This is not only anti-Christian but anit-family since 2 people in a traditional marriage are the best scenario for raising children that become productive, freedom defending citizens. Any deviation from that is fraught with difficulties effecting not only the offspring but society in general. Thus removing this application is proof that Apple is also anti-American in being complicit with the undermining of American values.

  11. Michael Antebi
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    How can Steve Jobs censor an app because it doesn't agree with his personal beliefs? Dictating what people have available to them is a monopoly or worse.

    Apple has become the new Microsoft.

  12. bernard chidiac
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    mr.jobs, my son john and daughter amy and i have apple computers. we support your excellent company. however, when we look for return support such as maintaining the MANHATTAN DECLARATION AS an APP. we do not find the support we need . please support tradition .
    .

  13. Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    As a campus preacher, I am asked what my views are concerning gays and marriage. I usually respond that I think every gay man should find a nice lesbian to marry and settle down. There in is their right to marry. The have the right to marry any lesbian they want.

  14. Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Steve Jobs, Up front, I will not be purchasing any Apple products from this point forward until I know that you have reinstated the app to iTunes regarding the "Manhattan Declaration." From a rating of 4+ to disappearing entirely seems a bit ironic to me and really short sighted on your part. So, as a successful businessman, I urge you to consider the majority view, not the minority view.

  15. Dimas Cavazos
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    'Just bout in excess of two grand on grandkids Christmas presents and am promptly returning them and will not ever buy another 'apple' product again. Am also sell my MacBook Pro Lap top and PC..
    As bigotted as you are, I would not support your product regardless of how good it might be....

  16. Tim
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    It really is quite interesting and reveals a lot about NOM. I'm sure NOM applauds Apple for keeping adult (yet very much legal) content out its app store but when they prohibit an app that encourages people to disobey civil rights laws (and violate the civil rights of fellow citizens), NOM protests. And somehow you still think you're on the right side of history...

  17. Roberta D Martin
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I am disappointed that a man of Steve Job's position in our society could be so spineless in this matter!!
    Shame on him!

  18. Posted December 14, 2010 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Rotten Apple with Worms ...I will remember forever UNLESS there is a big change in Attitude & Action!

  19. Kay Rust
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Steve, after hearing that you feel it is OK to pull the Manhattan Declaration app I want you to know that I will not be purchasing an Apple products. It's your company but a most un-democratic use of power to discriminate against conservative Christians.

  20. Rita Brumley
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    I also sent him an email and ready to get rid of iPhone and iTunes!

  21. Tom Morofski
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Amazing is it not that tolarance and acceptance (NOT to be confused with agreement of...) were initially plead-for then demanded by the far left. Now, they flat-out insist upon their way! BUT ... keep in mind, in their minds this ONLY works one way.
    If we are ever to have an open and even exchange of view-points, censorship such as Apple is displaying cannot and must not be accepted or tolarated.
    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NITE !

  22. Tom Morofski
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF JESUS OF WHOM CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT, "TREAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED". YES, THE GOLDEN RULE. NONE OF US THIS SIDE OF HEAVEN CAN DO THIS ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS ON OUR OWN. THE QUESTION IS; ARE YOU EVEN MAKING AN EFFORT?

    Good news of great joy ... Today, in the city of David,
    OUR SAVIOUR IS BORN !!! Merry Christmas !

  23. Posted December 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Dear Steve:
    1. I am a Christain, an American, a retired Navy veteran and also a member of NOM.
    I AM OUTRAGED AT YOUR ABSOLUTE BIGOTRY AND MORAL CORRUPTION FROM YOUR STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE: Because of your support of same-sex marriage and the gay, lesbian and tresvestite, corrupt, STD infected and useless sub-culture.

    2. In addition, your latest episode of trying to gain favor with this same sub-culture in order to make some more money and also to grab the attention of the press, with you removing the Manhattan Declaration from your stores. This same stupid and bigoted action only proves to me once again, what an an INSULT TO MY TWO COLLEGE DEGREES AND HIGH INTELLIGENCE Level that you really have become as a corrupt billionaire.
    2. Therefore, because of your latest stupid policy action listed above, I have also thrown out all of your Apple Computer items that I once owned.
    I have bought all new MICROSOFT COMPUTER ITEMS, and am also telling all of my family, friends, relatives, veterans, supervisors and neighbors to do the same: In order to BOYCOTT YOUR APPLE COMPUTER BUSINESS!
    I also hope and pray that Bill Gates' MIcrosoft Corporation will run you out of the computer business, ASAP!
    3. Lastly, as the lord said, "VENGENCE IS MINE, AND I SHALL REPAY, THUS SAYIST THE LORD GOD!!!!!" Paul to the Romans, Chapter 4. Read it an weep, fool!

  24. Jeffrey
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    My family has also joined to boycott Apple this Christmas (and until such time a Apple wants Christians for its customers). My family has emailed Mr. Jobs with such notice. Given that this typed on my iPod Touch makes this ironic but all the loss for Apple since we're no longer buying Apps. And I know my wife will enjoy her new Kindle over that new iPod Touch I was planning on getting her.

  25. Posted December 14, 2010 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    We must not forget Apple donated $100,000 to oppose Proposition 8.

  26. Mary A. Bell
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Yes, we always have to fight for righteousness, while those of "the world" always have a megaphone. But we must never render to Caesar (or anyone else) the things that belong to God. I will tell that to Steve Jobs in an e-mail.

  27. Steve
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Send Jobs a message and stop using or buying anything apple . Thats the right thing to do . BUT , until Christians stop patronizing hollywood , google or buying from anyone who supports abortion or the gay lifestyle why in the world would they feel a need to NOT persecute us . If every Christian stopped going to see over priced movies , and started boycotted anything that even skirts the edge of being pro abortion or pro gay things would be very different indeed . And guess what ,,thats what we are supposed to be doing ANYWAY !

  28. Joseph Conigliaro
    Posted December 14, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I strikes me that for a smart man Steve Jobs isn't smart enough to keep his company out of the fray. By taking side he will hurt Apple and himself. I guess he thinks he could afford to loose some business. Don't worry Steve, God will judge you when you pass away. The moral man will judge you here on earth.

  29. Posted December 14, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    /Users/andrewsralph/Desktop/same sex marriage/Same sex marriages.pdf

    (EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO MY OPINION)

    “Same-Sex Wrongs”

    On the subject of so-called “same-sex marriages,” I believe
    that our Representatives and Senators, as well as the
    members of most State Governments, are missing two
    extremely important points.....at least I have never heard
    them brought up.

    Number one is the assertion by the Gay Marriage
    proponents that they simply want the same right that the
    rest of us have. THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT
    RIGHT ! They can marry anyone they damn please
    provided they marry someone of the opposite sex. What
    they, our elected officials and most of the media, don't
    seem to realize is that there are tens of thousands of
    homosexuals in the United States who are married legally
    and are raising families in the traditional manner. They
    keep their sexual preference to themselves, as it is nobody
    else's business ! ! The legalization of Gay Marriages would
    be a cruel "slap in the face" to all those homosexuals who
    have chosen the path that Nature intended. These people
    may even be in the majority....fortunately, we'll never
    know......and we shouldn't know ! !

    Number two is the legalization or recognition of Gay
    Marriages would give those people a right that you and I
    DON'T have.....that is, to marry someone of the same sex.
    The fact that we would, of course, never want that right is
    irrelevant.

    Please remember that this crisis, AND IT IS A CRISIS, is
    based on sexual preference. Who among us are ALWAYS
    able to get what we PREFER ? ? Preference, by definition,
    is not an absolute. It means there are other choices
    available.

    We must all respect a way of life that goes back to the
    dawn of civilization....more than 5,000 years ago.

  30. James
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    OK, I'm really not trying to start a flame war, get into an argument or anything like that, but I just really cannot understand the cognitive dissonance going on here.

    Elane Photography chose not to photograph a gay wedding. The anti-gay marriage side said companies should be able to refuse services based on their moral standing.

    Steve Jobs decided to not allow an anti-gay marriage app through his company because of his thoughts on the matter. The anti-gay marriage side is now saying he should put his morals aside so they can use his company to spread their information.

    So, again, trying to stay as anti-inflammatory as possible... Can someone please explain to me, logically, how NOM doesn't see this as hypocrisy? And, again, I certainly don't agree with NOM's point of view, but I do believe in Freedom of Speech completely, and I sincerely would like to understand how this fits into your ideology.

  31. Evelyn Kelley
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Reinstate app to the iTunes store!!!!

  32. Posted December 15, 2010 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Is censorship what Apple is all about? It looks that way!

  33. Michael D. Rickman
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    I like to know how gay marrage would hurt you....Straght have a hugh divoice rate....maybe it is because some of the people getting divoice are really gay themselves....eg Preacher from Denver and Atlanta.....take care of your own marrage and leave gay people alone. Apple has a right to accept or reject apps....Some I may like to have ....but they have the right to do as a business....Thanks and I hope you really read this....and leave it on here. You mmay share my email....

    God bless and agape

    Michael D. Rickman

  34. Paul Sanderson
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    Right on Mike! Look no further than what happened in the catholic church, almost bringing the institution to its knees. It will take years to recover.

  35. Al Weber
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    We all need to contact Jobs and Apple as soon as possible during the holiday season. Apple is not responding to the emails, but between NOM and the Catholic League we can get thousands of messages to flood them. I went to an Apple retail store to complain and let them know that we are not purchasing the planned ipods for our kids for Christmas. They gave me the phone number to call Apple: 408 974-2042. I'm calling today. Let's all call.

  36. LNS
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    We are a Christian nation and we practice tolerance.
    So if you give the gays rights to push their view forward, you need to also give the Christians a right to push their views forward.
    Tolerance and equality.

  37. TC Matthews
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    "I'm sure NOM applauds Apple for keeping adult (yet very much legal) content out its app store but when they prohibit an app that encourages people to disobey civil rights laws (and violate the civil rights of fellow citizens), NOM protests. And somehow you still think you're on the right side of history..."

    Companies are free agents, they can sell or display what they want, but they have to realize that the consumers they court are also free agents. If Apple wants to play this game, their consumers should know so they can vote their conscience with every dollar they don't spend on Apple products.

    What is more interesting in your comment here is not your outrage that someone would hold Apple responsible for their business choices, it is that you feel so threatened by other people's philosophies simply because they disagree with yours, that you'd actually support taking those choices away. I guess that basic philosophical insecurity is what makes the communists like the gay agenda....

  38. Alex
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    "When reasonable people of goodwill disagree about questions of morality, justice and the common good (or other questions, for that matter), the thing to do is to have a free and robust discussion in which the competing sides make their arguments and engage each other,” Politics professor Robert George said in an e-mail to The Daily Princetonian.

    "I think it is important for people on both sides to avoid the temptation to try to shut down the other side or impede its access to public forums,” he added.

    I couldn't have said it better myself. Go George!

  39. ABS
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    @ James, about the Elane Photography question. The photographer's decision not to take the job did not infringe on the freedom of the clients - they could go looking for a different photographer. In contrast, when Apple forbids an app, there is no other way that a user of Apple products can gain access to the services that the app would have provided. Thus, the decision by Jobs was oppressive in a way that is not at all analogous to the decision made by Elane Photography. I hope that clarifies the matter.

  40. Don
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Take a bite out of the apple! ;-)

  41. adsf
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    "Elane Photography chose not to photograph a gay wedding. The anti-gay marriage side said companies should be able to refuse services based on their moral standing"

    And then she was unjustly forced to pay a fine of $7000. Why shouldn't Apple have to do the same?

    You can't have it both ways.

  42. Rev. Sanmford C. Oyer
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Steve Jobs: Marriage between a man and a woman is the only God given relationship since Adam and Eve. There is no other way. Creation set the stage. All other sinful relationship, unless cionfessed, will end in the Great WhiteThrone Judgment and be dammned to eternal Hell. That is scripture.

  43. Don
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Lay it DOWN, Reverend Oyer! Amen, Amen and Amen! :-)

  44. SJ
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I never purchase Apple products... they are closed with Steve Jobs deciding what you get and what you don't get... here is another example.

  45. Don
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Unless things have changed, Steve Jobs has always been something of a control freak anyway.

    You can buy a copy of the Windows OS and install it on any computer but you can't buy a copy of the Mac OS and install it on any computer! To get the Mac OS you have to buy a Mac computer! In other words, if you want the Mac OS you HAVE to buy one of Steve's computers! Control, control, control! Money, money, money!

    You can buy upgrades to the Mac OS and install them on a Mac but you can't just go out and buy the Mac OS and put it on your computer... unless it's a Mac!

    That's why, folks, I use Windows and I encourage all of you to do the same!

    Take a bite out of the apple! ;-)

  46. Joe
    Posted December 15, 2010 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    I realize that both sides of the issue at hand hold fast to their beliefs. I will not argue with you, call you vicious names or tell you that you are going to hell but, what I will do is to ask you to reinstate the app because I (John Q Public) want it even if it is offensive to those who oppose it. After all, what is there in our society that does not offend one group or another. There is so much more that I could and would like to say but this is not the forum adequate for such. Mr. Jobs or whoever is empowered to do so, please reinstate the App.

  47. Chris
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    I will never, ever buy another Apple product again. Persecuting Christians is not OK.. It's only a matter of time before God places lowers His mighty hand and delivers Steve a "humbling" blow. I began a few minutes ago by deleting the itune application from my computers, then will place rest of my Apple products in my garage and finish them off by driving over em with my car!

  48. Diana
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Isn't ironic that those who are for abortion are living here on this earth? What would have happened Mr. Jobs if your Mother ad Father decided to have an abortion before you were born? You would have had no choice in the matter. Why do you think that you have the right to make that choice for another? Obviously you are not considering the long range consequences. Check out the history of France and China. What is happening in their countries now? The consequences abortion in those countries are very real and very concerning to their governments. Do you honestly think that those consequences will not happen here in the USA. History will repeat itself here in America unless we stand up for the principles on which this country was formed.

  49. Kristi
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    The link to contact Steve Jobs didn't show up in the article so I don't know how to contact him. It is upsetting to see how he isn't concerned about offending such a large group - Christians and thus we have a lot of purchasing power and should make our voice known in this manner. I am now forced to buy alternative products now that this has come to light.

  50. Fekadu
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    I will keep on boycotting until apple stop discrminating traditional marriage marriage

  51. Peter
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I think the right way to handle this situation is to point out a truth. Apple censors a pro-traditional marriage, pro-life, and pro-religious freedom application. How can they be just when they allow applications that are pro-gay marriage and pro-abortion? If the argument is that apple has the right to censor this application because it offends people, why don't they censor the other applications that HAVE to offend the other side? The only reason they seem to be able to do what they did is because they are a business that choose to do things that support their beliefs. They obviously believe in pro-gay marriage and pro-abortion. So, Apple can be fair and realize that the application is on equal footing with the applications against it and re-instate the app. If they don't, the consumers of apple can boycott their company and their products. Yet, it seems like apple does not think that the people who will boycott their products will hurt their income. So, we can boycott their products, but I think it is best to ask Apple to be reasonable for what they are doing. Censoring an application because it seems to offend other people.
    It's just a truth throughout life: something will always offend another person. You can't go throughout life trying not to offend another person.

  52. Don
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Homosexual "marriage" activists have boycotted businesses which oppose their agenda COUNTLESS times. Their latest attempt was with Target stores. What's good for the goose is good for the gander! Steve Job's most exquisitely sensitive organ is his wallet! Can you hear me now, Steve?

  53. Nick Fortune
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    The right to same sex marriage is contrary to the laws of God and nature.

    A gay man has no more a right to marry another man than he has to demand a law giving him the right to become pregnant. Of course in our present “politically Correct” society there might be someone who wants such a law of right to pregnancy, written to protect his rights even though it would be a sham and a mockery.

    The implementation of “Civil Unions” afforded the legal vehicle to provide a common and mutual right to property and resources held jointly by partners. There is no need to deconstruct the institution of marriage tearing down the parameters and reconstructing it in a perverse and distorted way.

    Once breaking the seal on this Pandora’s Box you will not be able to anticipate the demons society will be faced with down the road. Gay marriage will render conventional marriage irrelevant, and invalid; as it mocks and distorts the whole premise of what marriage is.

    The argument for gay marriage is an argument for incestual marriage. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom. Suppose a brother and sister, both adults want to marry, in that they love each other and are dedicated and demand that they not be unconstitutionally discriminated against. They might not want to have sex or they could have protected sex; who would deprive them of their constitutional right to marry?

  54. James
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    @ABS Unfortunately, that still doesn't hold water. "There is no other way that a user of Apple products can gain access to the services that the app would have provided" Well, then you need to stop using Apple products and get the app through Android. Just like the gay couple could have gone to a different photographer.

    @adsf I actually agree with you. I think them being fined at all is ridiculous considering that they were very polite about it and the couple had other choices in photography. I really respect people's right to refuse services in non-life threatening situations (ie a doctor refusing a person who's dying from a car wreck because he's gay, or something that's genuinely a question of humanity). But, in all fairness, they probably should have avoided the issue by simply stating they were booked that day - that's what I do with clients I don't want to work for.

  55. ConservativeNotRepublican
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Liberals are fascists to the core. Jobs is just another typical liberal.

  56. Thomas D. Unger
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Nothing more from Apple in our household until
    Jobs does the right thing. Two can play your game.
    Tom

  57. MAC
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    The bigger issue of course is that if we lose marriage we will lose religious freedom. I hope someone points that out to Mr. Jobs. I hope that he is not in support of diminishing First Amendment rights.

  58. RAF
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Society has always limited human behavior. Sexual behavior is Behavior - not a 'right". Even the heterosexual is limited in the "expression" of his/her sexuality within civilization.
    Please do not confuse protection of rights that relate to our role in society or our unchangeable human traits.
    I will continue to buy Apple products because they are innovative and reliable. If the tech world produces something better, I would certainly use it.
    Trends and causes are often misguided. Gay "rights" is certainly misguided. The most prominent sex studies show that most people in the "gay" lifestyle eventually leave it. When have you last heard that fact?
    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Remember that everything that Hitler did was legal." Hopefully Mr Jobs will realize that his position is wrong and will just as energetically support good sense and the morality to led our civilization to world prominence.

  59. Wayne Stuntz
    Posted December 16, 2010 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Well Steve Jobs. I'll never by from apple now unless something big changes. Some day you might see when the government decides to take over your company and leave you in the cold. The word marriage has a very specific definition and it doesn't include anything about same sex persons. ONLY between a man and a woman!

  60. Don
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    The U. S. Supreme Court has been so protective of free speech that it even permits pornography lest it err on the side of being too restrictive. Steve Jobs, a businessman, has taken it upon himself to do the electronic equivalent of book burning.

    Steve, you need to decide if you want to run a business or if you want to be a censor because the two are mutually exclusive!

  61. MP
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    What someone believes does not change what's in the Bible. If someone chooses to not believe what's in the Bible, that is their choice. If they're right, which I don't believe they are, so be it. It doesn't matter, though, what I believe. What matters is what's in the Bible. If they're wrong, they're looking at eternal damnation. I will not be taking a chance at eternal damnation.

  62. Christina Goemaat
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    how many people did Hitler himself kill? probably not that many, but by his decree, many were. when we vote pro-choice we decree death just as sure as Hitler did.
    God said He knew us before we were born and He knit us in our mother's womb! How dare we un-knit what He has knit together!
    Do you know how great a gift life is?

  63. John Hess
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I'm sorry for him that he cannot stand for what is right. Hopefully the Lord will bring him to knowledge of the saviour and he may see the light and change his ways.

  64. Posted December 17, 2010 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    One of the realities of being a Jobs is an absence of reality. In the odd world in which some people live, their own understandings and preferences trump all others and they have a misguided idea that they can influence social change. Jobs is wrong to show such selectivity and such a lapse of reasoning. Most Americans are very clear on the definition of marriage, despite the efforts of others to pretend.

  65. AT
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    I am a Christian and I use the Iphone so I am one of your users. I am very disappointed that you removed Manhattan Declaration as on of the apps on Itunes. I vote on its restoration in Itunes.

  66. justin
    Posted December 17, 2010 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    All these wicked acts including same sex marriage are pre-planned purposefully to destroy family values and sacred bonds. why this destruction? otherwise the big brothers wouldn't be able to take control of people. we must be very watchful about our children that they not to fall into these traps and keep praying. Don't forget " the family which prays together, stays together". Let's also pray for those people who have chosen to live with lucifer for the eternity, they need our prayers the most and they're decieved by lucifer the most. they just don't understand that hell, the eternal well of satan is not what they think and it's really an eternal suffering with no end. let us pray for them.

  67. Tamara
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 2:20 am | Permalink

    Who does this guy think he is??? Did God die and he take over?/ NOT! I never liked apple that is why linux/ unbutu is for desktops. more secure free programs. And FREE!!! I use windows and ubuntu. I met Bill back in teh early 90s when windows 3.1 was out. he was smarter then Apple and hustled his butt off and got the market. Apple let it go.. It will go if you don't stop pushing your values right or wrong on others. People this day and age have no tolerance for discrimantion of any kind. and Americans and other Govts are figthing to keep us citizens at peace. Give it up! Get lost... Oh your already lost go to your censored add and find yourself if your able too..

  68. Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    I'm a Catholic from the Philippines. I will tell my fellow Filipinos not to buy Apple products, and to boycott them. Good thing that here in the Philippines, Bill Gates' Microsoft is more popular and stronger than Apple products, and Bill Gates is more known than Steve Jobs. Thanks to Steve Ray, I find this site through his twitter account and his site catholicconvert.com/2010

  69. Jay
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    I used to work for Apple. All of you who are vowing to boycott like this will have no effect whatsoever. Apple products fly off the shelves now and will continue doing so; people buy them because they work wonderfully, not because the buyers agree with a particular decision by Apple management. Your absence from the customer lists won't even be noticed, I can assure you.

    BTW, you people are on the wrong side of history anyway. You are fighting to keep the Titanic afloat. One poster said "please support tradition"; the same argument was used to justify slavery and the denial of women's rights. So ironic that those who've persecuted, tortured, burned, beaten, imprisoned, and mocked homosexuals throughout history because "God said so" are now bleating about "oppression" and "persecution" when gay people simply ask for the same legal rights as everyone else. Sorry, folks, you've cried wolf too many times.

    So enjoy your Microsoft computers. Apple won't miss you.

  70. GreyNYC
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    AT,

    Steve cant hear you here, you know...

  71. Amber James
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    "Your absence from the customer lists won't even be noticed, I can assure you."

    My lack of support for Apple inc. is not a tantrum for show, it's simple economics. I just don't want my dollars going to support a company who is working to tear down something as basic as marrige and family. It's called, voting with your dollars.

  72. Jin Chang
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    This decision by Apple inc is every publicist's nightmare, because even at this point, if they were to change policies, the damage to their carefully crafted reputation has already been done. Apple spends millions on it's image. @Jay Your comment reinforcing their hostility is only going to serve to inflame sentiment against Apple.

  73. Don
    Posted December 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Hey, don't make he same mistake as Adam and Eve. Steer clear of the apple! ;-)

  74. LorenzoS
    Posted December 19, 2010 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Wow. I'm insulted by the injustice. To think how much money I've spent on Apple Products. It's obvious Mr. Jobs doesn't understand the lines he's crossed. It's time to show him. I've got to rethink my computing needs.

  75. andrea
    Posted December 19, 2010 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Product isn't everything. Everyone knows It takes a lifetime to build a reputation of integrity but one act to call it into quetion. Apple, you had a stellar reputation now tarnished.

  76. Michael
    Posted December 20, 2010 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Abortion and gay marriage is OK but traditional marraiage and pro-life is offensive? Double standard you think? No it sounds like you Mr Jobs, You are offfensive. My i-phone and i-pod are scheduled to be replaced, with a Droid.

  77. Greg
    Posted December 21, 2010 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    @James: The difference between Elane Photography's refusal to work a homosexual ceremony and Steve Job's refusal to permit the NOM app is that there are many, many photographers available, but there is only one iTunes store. Jobs has a practical monopoly but Elane does not. Therefore, Jobs is not only making a personal statement, he is censoring. Elane makes a personal statement too, but does not have the effect of censorship since Elane Photography is so small. Now do you get it?

  78. Karen
    Posted December 22, 2010 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    i will not buy anything apple at all ,reinstate the app to i
    tunes store.

  79. Donny
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    While I agree with the Manhattan Declaration, and I am sad that Apple decided to pull the app, I believe this article is misleading. First, in a multi-billion dollar company, I doubt Steve Jobbs is personally involved in which apps are rejected. But more important, let's remember that Apple also discriminates against porn apps, violent apps and many distasteful apps, while continuing to allow hundreds of Christian apps. If the opening sentence of this article read, "Apparently Apple got the memo that it is ok to discriminate against pornographers," would we all still be boycotting Apple or cheering them on?

    While I don't think the Manhattan Dec is "hateful," we must acknowledge that it takes a clear stance against homosexuality, which some will consider "hateful." In a subjective world, things will sometimes be misinterpreted.

    Given the choice of Apple practicing no censorship or using censorship on the Apps store and sometimes getting it wrong, I'd vote for the latter. I'm personally glad that Apple discriminates so we can't download a "Hustler" app or one on how to make a car bomb.

  80. Adam
    Posted December 31, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    @ #4, RBC.

    Wrong. Apple is a publicly traded company. You must be living under a rock to not know that. They are responsible to their shareholders, and no, they can't do what they like.

    America is laughing at you for that basic error. Fail.

  81. Erik
    Posted January 16, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Steve Job and/or Apple have the legal "right" to discriminate against whom they choose.

    The way Christians may have their voices heard is to refuse to support those that choose evil rather than good. Supporting and spreading the lie that homosexuality is a morally good alternative is propagating a lie that will serve to destroy those that practice it.

    It is a sinful lifestyle. And those that practice it reject the clear statement of God that it is against nature and they will be punished if he or she chooses it.. If you love the person, you will tell them the truth.

    Please be willing, as Christians, to boycott those that publicly stand against the word of God.

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