NOM's Thomas Peters went on KOMO Seattle radio recently to talk about Brian Brown's challenge to Dan Savage to have a civil debate about marriage:
Interviewer: "I think Dan Savage is very passionate about his defense of gay marriage and I think he's become very tired of the arguments used against it. And I think that's in part what we were witnessing when he was addressing that high school auditorium on the issue of journalism."
Peters: "Well if he's tired of the arguments he should spend time refuting them and not attacking the people who make them, and I watched most of that video and I didn't recognize any of the arguments I've seen used at the National Organization for Marriage ... in my experience gay marriage activists are very selective about which arguments they think traditional marriage proponents are actually using. The arguments we use are from reason, common sense, our legal tradition and also the social sciences in terms of how children flourish and what the public purpose of marriage is. That's nothing about what Dan went after in his speech on journalism."
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Dan took Brian up on his challenge, we have yet to hear from Brian. So when and where?
We should have Maggie debate him. She is very good coming up with spontaneous answers. I think Brian gets a little agitated when things get intense, and they will with Dans inclination for profanity and insult.
Don't do it Brian! Don't do it! (Nor Maggie.) How can you talk to dirt? Okay it would be a very entertaining show. Would fill an arena. But the guys comically entertaining enough as a second rate one man show.
If he wants to talk to you, have him pay you for it, top dollar. Okay, he accepted, now negotiate an expensive price for the value of your presence. He can make a donation to NOM.
For a real talk on the subject, Brian deserves to talk to that Obama guy, and not the jester. For its not worth talking to the clown until he has something intelligent to say; (and is able to tone down the resentment he has from all the hurt he's felt in the past).
As far as silly talk Brian, leave it to others. But than again what do I know at this level of 'informing' the people. So thank goodness there is NOM.
All I know is that :
Marriage is - the human species in its completed form. But I agree that that peculiar little expression, is better pronounced as “marriage”.
Gay unions are very nice; we're all gay about them. Now lets all find a nice new word to name a nice new union. And than we can talk about babies, and adoption rights, and children's rights. For we have a lot to talk about there. And its not a joke.
Dan will have to better than throw insults.. He needs to have at least one, logical, coherent reason, even a legal basis for SS"m." He has so far failed to provide any rational reason for his position.. Insults are not reasons.
Why in the hell would anyone want to debate Dan Savage? That is just silly! He's a crapweasel, he wishes violent death on his adversaries or fantasizes about raping them.
Religious people asking for coherent reason and logic. You should show the capability for those yourself before requesting them from others...
Well, some may very well be "tired" of the concept of "love the sinner, hate the sin", but it's not going anywhere. Ever. Why? Because frankly, that is the sum of the gospel message to all of us and Jesus told us His word will never pass away (Luke 21:33).
We're all sinners. We all need redemption. God loved us though we were yet sinners (Romans 5:8) enough to provide a path to redemption *if* we obey His will (starting with Acts 2:38). Why people behave as if this is a bad thing escapes me when it is good news! We can grow tired of that message, reject it, hate it, do whatever you want to do with it, but it's never going away. We've been assured of that. So, wrestle with God if you want. Good luck with that. And for those of us that identify as Christians, please bear in mind that watering down the gospel message because some are "tired of it" is inconsistent with what Jesus called us to do (Mark 16:15).
Dan has invited Brian and his wife over for dinner with him and his husband, with an after dinner debate to follow. Will Brian accept?