Once again, undermining marriage carries with it consequences for politicians who give in to elite sentiment, ignoring the people!
A Conservative government minister has said that his party’s poor performance at the local elections is partly down to its bid to redefine marriage.
Gerald Howarth, a defence minister, made the comments after his party lost hundreds of seats, including some in the Prime Minister’s own constituency.
Mr Howarth told the BBC: “There are issues, for example, like the proposal for gay marriage.
... With results still coming in, the Conservatives have lost control of 11 councils and nearly 300 seats.
Among those areas taken by Labour were Witney Central, Witney East and Chipping Norton – which are all in David Cameron’s South Oxfordshire constituency.
Earlier this week a poll found voters in Witney are being alienated by Mr Cameron’s support for redefining marriage.
Two thirds of his constituents want to keep marriage as it is – between one man and one woman – the survey showed.
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History shows that politicians, like Cameron, who supported Marriage Corruption did so out of a selfish self interest - ie personal financial gain.
Are you paying attention, Mark Grisanti?
So the Labour candidates who won were all on record against gay marriage? Maybe, I don't know. But since the country has more or less officially slipped back into a recession in spite of recent austerity efforts, I'd guess that has more to do with the vote.
KAK,
Or did tEngland slip back into recession due to the lack of confidence that was brought about by the conservative leadership betrayal on marraige?
All economists will tell you that confidence is the deciding factor in all economic cycles. Are the laws of nature completley foreign to you?
Consumer confidence measures "the degree of optimism that consumers feel about the overall state of the economy and their personal financial situation."
But just to further prove my point, I took to the Google machine. The Labor party-which picked up huge numbers of seats - is on record as supporting same sex marriage. Like Bill Clinton said, it's the economy stupid. Gay marriage had nothing to do with it.
@Randy - read the results maybe? A huge majority even of Conservative voters , did not think gay marriage would not influence their vote. Howarth is not the brightest light of the party.
KAK,
You dance around the subject. To say marriage corruption had nothing to do with it is to be intellectually dishonest.
The Conservatives where very popular and the British economy was on the mend up until the time the Conservatives announced their plan to betray their constituents on marriage.
If labor takes over they will not have a mandate; as the conservatives now enjoy. The people of Britian will neutere their ability to impose your agenda on the nation.
Your tactics have been exposed and you are now in desperation mode attempting to secure a toe hold while you still can.
In the U.S. Kerry was defeated by Bush due to the push for Marriage Corruption in San Francisco prior to the elction. This is a well known fact that the marriage corruption movement refuses to discuss to this very day.
The official Marriage Corruption slogan should be:
"Denial today, denial tomorrow, denial forever"
We all saw this coming. Support for marriage corruption had a significant role in this election, as witnessed by numerous articles and posts in this blog and all over the blogosphere. Cameron has been pleading with citizens to please be nice to him, even though he betrayed them.
The peasants have revolted against Comrade Cameron.
Randy - marriage "corruption" as you put it had nothing to do with it.
To use your logic there must be a wave of support for SSM since some 500 council seats just went to that same-sex-supporting Labor Party. But that would be wrong, because they weren't voting on SSM. They were voting in response to austerity, service cuts and lack of job growth, all far more pertinent to people's daily lives than SSM.
KAK,
The Conservative party official opposes marriage corruption and yet their Prime Minister has threatened to impose it. Point being; the official party line in not being towed by everyone.
The Democrats in the U.S. had a philibuster proof majority Senate, House, and the Presidency yet they never even discussed the idea of overturning DOMA until the no longer had the ability to do so; and they are considered to by the pro-marriage corruption party.
Randy - As for US, change does take time, but it will happen. It took about 17 years to overturn Don't Ask Don't Tell, and by the time it was finally repealed, there was overwhelming public support to do so.
Politicians will definitely hedge their bets on SSM while the country is still pretty evenly divided, but like DADT, it will eventually cross a support threshhold and you'll see it become a non issue. The percentage of those who say they either support or don't have a problem with SSM has steadily increased over the last two decades. I don't see that trend reversing.
KAK1958:
Here's another trend for you to consider.
Thirty one elections.
Thirty one defeats for marriage corruption.
But hey!
You get another chance Tuesday.
Think it'll be a trendbreaker?
In other news, GB is in a reccession but gay marriage dominates the news. LOL
Yep, Rick, civil rights issues always do poorly at the polls. If they didn't, there would be no reason for any civil rights act or minority protection. Whether its a racist or a homophobe, we know you have to vote your bigotry.
But Pete....err...I don;t seem to remember any statewide constitutional amendments against civil rights passing.....do you?
As a matter of fact, we have thirty one (thirty two after next Tuesday) defending marriage passing.
No, it really doesn't look as though your "race equals sexual orientation" con is working out for you guys here.....
Strange then that thirty one states never voted cponstitutional amendments against civil rights, eh Pete?
I mean, this civil rights argument of yours is so ridiculous that you can't even sell it in California, Pete.
Just sayin'.....
The Labour party may support it but they aren't trying to push it or get it passed. Every state that has gay marriage in America has it because of Democrats. They are going to lose everything because of the SSM issue.
KAK1958 - You're missing the point: When conservative politicians alienate their main voter base, many members of that base refuse to vote and hence the election swings to the opposing party - not because conservatives are now voting for liberals but because more liberals than conservatives are voting at all. Yes, the Labour party also supports gay marriage, but they don't alienate their base by doing so.
And Pete, the "bigotry" argument isn't fooling anyone. 70% of African-Americans oppose gay marriage and resent the attempt to equate the issue with the civil rights movement.
Gentlemen, we must learn the lessons from history. The decline of great civilizations has always been preceded by moral decline. The ancient Greeks, who had no problem with homosexuality, certainly have unceasing problems today.
We must stand for marriage as God defines it: one man and one woman. If we are to be a nation that expects to benefit from God's blessings, we must be a nation that honors Him. Never, never, never give up the fight for this truth.
The UK has lost the basis for economic wealth and the well being of society: a common identity and strong families.
In fact, the new capitalistic sponsored totalitarianism called secular humanism is trying to destroy the family everywhere, in order to have the people in the hands of the market and market sponsored politicians.
@KAK
Don't Ask Don't Tell was not an issue of the American Public.
I'm in the military and if you ask me, a civilians opinion doesn't matter. I'm more concerned with what my NCO's and Officers think.
Too many school children are being indoctrinated with the idea that homosexuality is the norm. They should be taught the health risks and the absurdity of two people of the same sex pretending to be parents of a child. To call it marriage is a sham and there is no reason to regard it as progress. I have never heard any argument in its favour except abuse of those who oppose it - e.g. calling them "bigots". I don't think so. Normality and naturalness are not bigotry.
A swing to Labour party...a big one.... A party who gay marriage even more firmly? The result was the economy. Anything else is the wishful thinking.
As much as I enjoyed you're triumphant note that the Conservatives stand on marriage equality caused them to lose a large number of seats in the local elections in the UK.
It is clear you have no idea about who they just voted in!
I will just clue you up about UK politics.
Conservatives - Right wing sort like watered down Repulicans.
Labour - Left wing - Far left and more liberal than the Democrats
The Labour Party who won a huge number of seats is a socialist party is in full support of Marriage equality.
I not sure which is more disturbing . You trying to pin the Conservatives losses on Gay issues or your complete lack of understanding about UK politics. The UK is not the US.
As much as I enjoyed your gloating.
I will just clue you up about UK polics.
Convervativeis - Right wing -
Labour - Left wing
Paul Mc:
Not at all. I would vote Democrat every time out if it weren't for the marriage corruption and child murder advocates having hijacked the party.
If the Republicans surrender on these issues, I will vote Independent.
Many family values voters are very much inclined to hold our noses when we vote for Republicans who seem to be completely in the pocket of Wall Street, and if they betray us on values we will not support them.
In that case, the Republicans lose.
I hope Mitt Romney gets that.
"In the U.S. Kerry was defeated by Bush due to the push for Marriage Corruption in San Francisco prior to the elction. This is a well known fact that the marriage corruption movement refuses to discuss to this very day."
WHAT?! Yeah....a well known fact that you pulled out of thin air. What in the world did a push for marriage equality in Frisco have to do with Kerry?
Kerry, by the way, got 60 MILLION votes. I'm as liberal they come and even I think that Kerry was a weak candidate and that the election was WAY too close.
The guy lost by ONE state...hardly a mandate either way on marriage equality.
By the way, Kerry supports gay marriage now, but was against it back in '04. So you're conclusion is flat wrong.
What the article convieniently leaves out is that most of the new members elected also favor gay marriage and civil unions. Gay marriage had nothing to do with the vote, THE ECONOMY DID. This is just more of the same scare tactics and lie that NOM spews, like Rome fell because of gays, you all are ignorant
Paul, Diane, and Patrick: The point of the article was simply this: when conservative politicians alienate their main voter base (in this case by supporting gay marriage), many members of that base refuse to vote and hence the election goes to the opposing party - not because conservatives are now voting for pro-gay-marriage liberals but because fewer conservatives are voting at all and hence the liberals win by default. Yes, the Labour party also supports gay marriage, but they aren't alienating their base by doing so - they may not be gaining votes but they aren't losing them either. That may not have been the only factor in this election, but it surely must have been _a_ factor given that polls have shown that many conservative voters are angry at the Tories for supporting gay marriage.