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Video & Reaction: Dan Savage Lashes Out at Christian Teens

 

CitizenLink posts the actual video showing Dan Savage verbally abusing Christian teens at a school assembly on, of all things, anti-bullying (warning: language):

This morning, Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy interviewed Rick Tuttle, a California high school teacher whose students were among those who walked out because they were so offended by Savage's comments:

Meanwhile, the father of two students who attended the conference is speaking out in outrage:

"My son is the first boy you see leaving on the video. My daughter is right behind him. They felt that they were there to hear about journalism and this man's fight against bullying. They had no idea, and neither did I, of who Dan Savage actually was.

"As he started to insult the children's God, Bible, and choice of lifestyle, my son felt he had enough and calmly got up to leave. My daughter followed him and then the rest of their 22 classmates all got up and left.

"After they had left the room Dan Savage made his derogatory remarks in a cowardly fashion about them not being able to take it."

Naman says that organizers failed to provide satisfactory answers as to why Savage had been allowed to speak in the first place. -- Breitbart

158 Comments

  1. Good News
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    I am not Christian or religious; but this poor young fella has been given way to much leeway and respect in my society (personal sexual preferences having nothing to do with it); his lack of any valuable talent is just insulting to our students and our nation. The mediocrity and lack of competence that is put in front of our growing and learning children, who are often paying to get an education of personal and national and worldly value is ridiculous!

    I'm not Christian or religious. Nor is the bible my book of reference. But certain times call for certain laws. And today I would vote for outlawing the excessive visibility, promotion and encouragement of homosexuality in my society. And I understand that some societies might choose to put the death penalty into place, as a deterrent. Not because it is evil or sinful, but because it is not helpful when taken to such extremes as this. Not helpful (i.e. harmful) to the society, and especially not helpful to its children.

    'He' is my 'enemy'. And as some honorable Americans would go off to a legitimate war to kill and die for whatever reason was valid at the time; I would be on the opposite side of the sunny pasture that would be separating my army from the army that this man would be standing among.
    Relax everybody; non of this would be spontaneous, or out of hate, or emotion, or ignorance; it would be part of legal and acceptable warfare (as is done every day around the world...); after reasonable negotiation. And at a time when dying for the creation of ones own society became valid.

    I personally thank the students who got up and walked out. I also thank those who did not get up but who where unhappy or unsatisfied with the mediocrity of this man; and this society. Yes actions are important, but so is your personal integrity and the independence of your mind. Do not be afraid to standup, even if you are doing so only in your mind. May you students, in the near future, lead this country into better things!

    PS. On the subject of slavery in the bible; just to pick one. It can be seen as addressing a class of people; which would be today so many people in our society who work at a job just to survive and pay off the bills at the end of the month. Who under complete national legal authority can be told by their 'boss' (slave owner) at any hour or minute of their working day – “you're fired, go home”. A home in which under complete national legal authority they could be kicked out of, onto the street. And rightfully so, would say the law, and his fellow citizens. How many of these students will be living the majority of their life indentured to their dept to the slave master. I suggest that slaves of old could be found to have sympathy for the slaves of today. So yes, to some, the encouragement in the bible for the 'slaves' to respect and obey their masters, can be valid and timely advice. What else can we do; when salvation is not to be found in ones government?

    Excuse my diversion – but who gave that clown up on stage the microphone anyway? I just had to get up and walk out. In the only way available to me.

  2. Barb Chamberlan
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    It appears Mr. Savage has become so enamored with his own celebrity status that he's abandoned his own narrative. Calling him a "journalist" stretches the meaning of the word beyond recognition. I'd like to remind Mr. Savage that he's Nobama's pet only because he can garner votes for the president.

    And walking away from a bully as these students did is an act of courage.

  3. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Hey Barb, what's up? Instead of you guys always attacking the messenger, why not address the message. Is there anything that he said was in the bible that isn't? Did he lie about anything? Why didn't all the students leave? Did he "bully" anyone because of who they were born to be and who they are? What kind of journalists are these students going to be if they walk away from a story because they don't like what they hear? And the most important question, who is responsible for the war on homosexuality?

  4. Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Those Christian students showed much restraint.

    It would have been tempting to stone Savage to death while chanting, "God is great!"

  5. Good News
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I am not Christian or religious; but this poor young fella has been given way to much leeway and respect in my society (personal sexual preferences having nothing to do with it); his lack of any valuable talent is just insulting to our students and our nation. The mediocrity and lack of competence that is put in front of our growing and learning children, who are often paying to get an education of personal and national and worldly value is ridiculous!

    I'm not Christian or religious. Nor is the bible my book of reference. But certain times call for certain laws. And today I would vote for outlawing the excessive visibility, promotion and encouragement of homosexuality in my society. And I understand that some societies might choose to put the death penalty into place, as a deterrent. Not because it is evil or sinful, but because it is not helpful when taken to such extremes as it has done in our day. Not helpful (i.e. harmful) to the society, and especially not helpful to its children.

    I personally thank the students who got up and walked out. I also thank those who did not get up but who where unhappy or unsatisfied with the mediocrity of this man; and this society. Actions are important, but so is your personal integrity and the independence of your mind. Do not be afraid to standup, even if you are doing so only in your mind. May you students, in the near future, lead this country into better things!

    PS. On the subject of slavery in the bible; just to pick one. It can be seen as addressing a class of people; which would be today so many people in our society who work at a job just to survive and pay off the bills at the end of the month. Who under complete national legal authority can be told by their 'boss' (slave owner) at any hour or minute of their working day – “you're fired, go home”. A home in which under complete national legal authority they could be kicked out of, onto the street. And rightfully so, would say the law, and his fellow citizens. How many of these students will be living the majority of their life indentured to their dept to the slave master. I suggest that slaves of old could be found to have sympathy for the slaves of today. So yes, to some, the encouragement in the bible for the 'slaves' to respect and obey their masters, can be valid and timely advice. What else can you do; when salvation is not to be found in ones government or ones society?

    Excuse my diversion – but who gave that clown up on stage the microphone anyway? I just had to get up and walk out. In the only way available to me. Oh well, absurdity breeds absurdity; and that's about all this guy will ever procreate out of his same-sex union. “Someone can tell him he can get of the stage now, and get back into his closet, I'm done.”
    Part of the Atheist Religion's doctrine; from one of their prophets, Richard Dawkins, who taught “Christians deserve to be humiliated (or made fun of)”.

    Man! what garbage we feed our kids these days. In the name of education?

  6. Steven
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Having seen the whole statement I am actually much less bothered by what he said. He still didn't word it the best way but it was not nearly as bad as what FOX and NOM tried to turn it into.

  7. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    I have another question, why don't bible believers follow everything in the bible as Dan said. Why do you follow some things and not others? It seems to be a good "God" follower you would have to follow all of "God's" words, don'tcha think?
    And thank you Michael for showing who the bullies are. Dan said nothing about physical violence.

  8. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Steven, that's Fox's and NOM's agenda. Making things be what they are not.

  9. davide
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    @eli, no one is born gay. It is a pathological development disorder. Science has yet to prove one single human being is born gay. Guys Dan Savage is a dude who seems to have some unresolved daddy issues. I feel bad that he is in such torment...it's very very sad and a little creepy.

  10. KDog
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Eliasasm,

    Is there anything that he said was in the bible that isn't?

    Well yes. The Bible doesn't endorse slavery. In fact, it was the Jews that were the slaves for centuries throughout the Old Testament. How is the historical account of being enslaved 'getting it wrong about slavery''?

    So the fact that Savage is so off base with his assertion that the Bible wrongly endorses slavery, tells me that he's never actually read it.

  11. Don G
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    This "man" attacked what is very sacred to Christians. What if he attacked the Koran, a religion where they still do stone & kill homosexuals & practice Sharia Law? He wouldn't dare, he just quoted generalizations from the "Old Testament", the "New Testament" Christians practice love & forgiveness & our own repenting of our sins then to bully other people of their beliefs! Jesus said to love ALL regardless of their faiths, beliefs, etc. Yet this guy felt it's OK to bash & call out Christians, I love him, will say a prayer for him, but he bullied people too, he's a hypocrite himself....

  12. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    davide, instead of showing how ill-informed you are, why not answer my questions?

  13. Scrounger
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    In other news, Christian author defends Dan Savage:

    http://johnshore.com/2012/04/29/dan-savage-and-the-truth/

  14. KDog
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    BTW...I realize that this is the Internet and people like to argue just to argue, but it's hard to have a serious dialogue when a person comes out with labels like 'you God followers' etc. When people act like they have legitimate questions but assign labels to people, I already know that your mind is made up about a view that is different from yours and I'd be wasting my time talking to you. So much for tolerance.

  15. Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    "Is there anything that he said was in the bible that isn't?"

    Yes.

    "Did he lie about anything?"

    Yes.

    "Why didn't all the students leave?"

    Because some were scared to leave and some were liberals who agreed with Savage.

    "Did he "bully" anyone because of who they were born to be and who they are?"

    Oh, so if you're something that you weren't born to be, you can't be bullied for it?

    By the way, gays are not born gay.

    "What kind of journalists are these students going to be if they walk away from a story because they don't like what they hear?"

    These students were not at the conference to cover a story. They were there to learn about journalism. Could you please explain to me exactly what Savage's comments had to do with journalism? I am at a complete loss.

    "And the most important question, who is responsible for the war on homosexuality?"

    No such thing.

  16. Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    "In other news, Christian author defends Dan Savage:"

    lol! John Shore as a "Christian author." Hilarious! Shore became a "Christian" after hearing a cartoony voice in a storage closet at work. He claims to be a Christian, but his words and actions speak otherwise.

  17. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Scrounger, thank you for that. You would think that that would be enough to end all this but unfortunately I'm afraid it won't.

  18. Good News
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Outlaw homosexuality.
    And in the mean time throw this guy in jail.
    He'll grow up in time. We can hope.

    Giving free reign to revenge is no way to run a country! – someone should get that message out to Washington and the President, who also seems to be running on the energy of hurt and revenge. Its not our fault his dad didn't take him home with him.

  19. Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    "why don't bible believers follow everything in the bible as Dan said. Why do you follow some things and not others?"

    Because Jesus perfectly fulfilled the ritual and ceremonial Law and Christians fulfill it through him. He established a new covenant on God's moral Law (e.g. 10 Commandments).

    "It seems to be a good "God" follower you would have to follow all of "God's" words, don'tcha think?"

    We follow all of Jesus' words.

  20. Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    If Savage had directed his venom at the Koran, he'd have been accused of a hate crime and his professional career would've been over in a heartbeat. (Also, Muslims worldwide would be calling for his beheading.)

  21. Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    "instead of showing how ill-informed you are"

    Oh, the irony!

  22. Colleen P.
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    I think the fundamental disconnect between Savage and his critics in this situation is this: Savage, at least from his own perspective, is not attacking the idea of adhering to a faith based on the Bible, but the idea of selectively adhering to certain parts of the Bible while 'ignoring' other parts, ostensibly at the whims of personal prejudice, which he posits is hypocritical.

    What Dan Savage fails to realize is this is not how most Christians think about the Bible. I think Dan looks at the Bible, sees what it says about shellfish and stoning and whatnot, and thinks "well, this doesn't resonate with what modern-day Christians appear to believe, and it does sound extreme to me, so because it is extreme they ignore this part, which seems reasonable." But most Christians would never use the word 'ignore' to characterize their response to those parts; rather, they interpret the Bible in such a way as to consider certain parts literally binding and others (e.g. ritual holiness codes) for a particular reason (e.g. rendered unnecessary by Christ) no longer binding, or certain passages as actually trying to teach something more complex than what they appear to say at first glance while others mean exactly what they appear to say at first glance. From their perspective, this is not 'ignoring' any part of the Bible, because they believe they are taking everything into account and interpreting it all terms of a consistent internal logic that happens to render parts inapplicable or multilayered or nuanced.

    Perhaps how Savage should have addressed the issue should not have been to suggest that Christians 'ignore' certain parts of the Bible that conflict with modern sensibilities -- even if thinks there is not necessarily anything wrong with doing that if it were consistent and doesn't grasp why that idea offends Christians -- but rather he should have expressed that he finds the effects of modern Biblical interpretations suspicious and questions whether they are the product of truly consistent interpretive logic or whether some passages are approached with more thoughtful nuance than others.

    In other words, to Savage the difference between "ignore" and "interpret inconsistently" seems just semantic, whereas to someone who believes in the inerrancy of scripture and sees the former as shirking God's word, the difference is HUGE.

  23. Alex
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Jay, remind me where in the ten commandments it mentions gay people? And, without bearing false witness, prove to us all you have never once violated any of the commandments. I would hate to think you are simply a hypocritical, cherry-picking, embittered, anti-gay bigot.

  24. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Jay McH hit the nail on the head. "The Bible this" and "The Bible that" fails to account for the clarification of the Old Testament from the New Testament.

    And let's no kid ourselves, we still have slavery in this country, it just takes the form of institutionalized poverty perpetuated by the government through the welfare system.

    I posted this elsewhere but it bears repeating here. Jesus said:

    Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

    And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they together shall be one flesh?

    Wherefore they are no more separate, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

  25. Mike
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    @eliasasm You are misinformed. Apparently you don't realize that if we could follow God's word to a T, that we would. There is no possible way anyone can follow the Word of God 100%, if we could, we'd be perfect, and we wouldn't need God or Jesus. Since we aren't perfect, We need God and Jesus and we cannot follow the Bible 100% to a T. Geeze its funny how you non christians and atheists think Christians are perfect, we're just as human as you are.

  26. Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    'Jay, remind me where in the ten commandments it mentions gay people?"

    I used the term "e.g." because the moral Law includes more than just the 10 Commandments. The OT prohibitions against homosexuality are a part of the moral Law that Jesus included as a part of the new Covenant. (Before you even think of trying, Jesus excluded homosexual relationships by condoning ONLY marriage between a man and a woman.)

    "And, without bearing false witness, prove to us all you have never once violated any of the commandments."

    Where did I say any such thing?

    "I would hate to think you are simply a hypocritical, cherry-picking, embittered, anti-gay bigot."

    Talk about bearing false witness! Sorry, but you already DO think that of me and you definitely DON'T hate thinking it.

  27. Alex
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Jay, you didn't previously say you hadn't once broken any of the ten commandments, I challenged you to do so. I await a detailed response. I am intrigued where all that sanctimonious gay-baiting bigotry comes from.

  28. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Jay, what are the lies?
    Gays not born gay? 70,000,000 gays on planet Earth not born that way? Were you born straight?
    The journalism students walked away from a story.
    No war on homosexuality? Can you say NOM? Do you read the comments from the 2 dozen or so people on this blog? (BTW, that pretty much shows where NOM and the war on homosexuality is headed)
    On John Shore, attacking the messenger and not paying attention to the messenger gets us nowhere. What he said was dead on which is why you would rather attack the messenger.
    You follow the words of Jesus, show me where Jesus said anything about homosexuality.

  29. Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    "you didn't previously say you hadn't once broken any of the ten commandments, I challenged you to do so."

    Why?

    "I await a detailed response."

    Get used to disappointment.

    "I am intrigued where all that sanctimonious gay-baiting bigotry comes from."

    I'm personally intrigued where your sanctimonious straw man arguments about me come from.

  30. Ms. Broker
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Whenever anyone asked Jesus what they needed to do to be saved, he recited the Law to them. The Law decreed that it is abomination for men to lay with men and if you did so your life would be forfeit. You gay enablers seem to think that people don't get punished for the other sins He said not to commit but they do. Homosexuals have for the last few decades mounted a hate filled campaign of vicious acts of intimidation to scare people into acceptance and I have seen this with my own eyes. They don't want tolerance, they want blind acceptance and obedience or else they will try and destroy you and we see it now. You can scream the words bigot and homophobe all you want but the fact is, every health organization on earth agrees that men having sex with men is the leading spreader of AIDS/HIV. Why anyone would advocate for the acceptance of a proven disease spreading life style is luducrious and as usual, gays think that all they have to do is start calling you names, and you'll get scared to challenge them on the very real dangers of this lifestyle.

  31. Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    "what are the lies? Gays not born gay? 70,000,000 gays on planet Earth not born that way?"

    Exactly. There is NOTHING other than unprovable anecdotal evidence that gays are born gay.

    Also, I'm glad you admit, too, that gays only make up around 1-3% of the population instead of the typical lie of 10%.

    "Were you born straight?"

    Like 100% of all people who exist or have ever existed, yes.

    "The journalism students walked away from a story."

    They weren't there to cover a story. They were there to learn about how to cover a story. Instead, they became part of a story.

    "No war on homosexuality? Can you say NOM?"

    There's a lie. NOM doesn't commit war on homosexuality.

    "Do you read the comments from the 2 dozen or so people on this blog?"

    Comments on a website do not equal a war.

    "On John Shore"

    Charles Manson claims he's Jesus. Should we then listen to him?

    "You follow the words of Jesus, show me where Jesus said anything about homosexuality."

    Easy. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and others. Jesus is God the Son and the Word made flesh.

  32. Alex
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Jay, I am sorry you don't like what the bible says about slavery and stoning women to death, but are worked into a frenzy of righteousness about the parts that pique your anti-gay hatred. Get used to more of this, because more and more people are waking up to the hypocrisy of bigots like you. Believe me, people like you are in for a mightily bumpy ride.

  33. Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    "Jay, I am sorry you don't like what the bible says about slavery and stoning women to death, but are worked into a frenzy of righteousness about the parts that pique your anti-gay hatred. Get used to more of this, because more and more people are waking up to the hypocrisy of bigots like you. Believe me, people like you are in for a mightily bumpy ride."

    *yawn*

  34. Alex
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Better to bore you to death than stone you, don't you think, Jay?

  35. Garrett
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God." Colossians 3:22 (the New Testament), King James Version

  36. SC Guy
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Dan Savage is just a blasphemer. You always have to be careful about people who don't believe in the Bible, trying to discredit the Bible by taking it out of context. He doesn't understand a word the Bible says but because he hates it and hates Christianity, he just opens his mouth and blasphemes. And he falls into the exact same trap that he blasts others for doing - bullying!

  37. Garrett
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    The above is a verse that has been translated, as recently as 2007, as "slaves, obey in all things ..." and has been used to justify slavery. And it's one of many such verses in both the old and new testament (and, one must wonder whether slavery would fall under the "moral" laws?).

  38. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Jay, again, what did Dan lie about?
    Something you haters need to realize is that on this Earth, it is not all about you. And another thing you all need to realize is that thanks to groups such as NOM, negative attitudes towards homosexuality is changeing. And that would be because it's all made up just like the reaction to Dan Savage. What you all want to think happened there, didn't. He spoke the truth and was defending himself and the gay community from the likes of people like you and NOM. It's obvious that you all can't handle the truth. All you have is YOUR truth. That does not mean it is THE truth, it's your truth and your truth does not trump reality or anyone else's truth. And the truth is homosexuality is innocous (probably not spelled right)

    Again, THANK YOU all for helping in the fight against homophobia.

  39. scragsma
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Great message: bullying is wrong, but it's OK for me to do it if you dare to disagree with me.

    Don't bully me, but I am justified in bullying you. Right.

  40. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    "Better to bore you to death than stone you, don't you think, Jay?"

    Jesus' new Covenant, paid for by with his own blood on the cross: "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone..."

  41. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Jay, and you cast the first stone.

  42. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    "Jay, again, what did Dan lie about?"

    Everything.

    "Something you haters need to realize is that on this Earth, it is not all about you."

    But apparently it's all about people like you and Savage.

    Ironically, though, you are right. It's not all about us. It's not about us at all, nor is it about you. It's about God.

    "And another thing you all need to realize is that thanks to groups such as NOM, negative attitudes towards homosexuality is changeing."

    Yes. People are rejecting homosexuality because NOM is telling the truth.

    "And that would be because it's all made up just like the reaction to Dan Savage."

    Riiiight. Had this been Ann Coulter saying the exact same things about the Torah or the Koran, the reaction from people just like you would've been "all made up," too, right?

    "What you all want to think happened there, didn't."

    Except we have the video, which, unlike Savage, doesn't lie.

    "He spoke the truth and was defending himself and the gay community from the likes of people like you and NOM."

    How strange. I thought the conference was supposed to be about journalism, not "defending himself and the gay community" from people like me and NOM.

    "It's obvious that you all can't handle the truth."

    Jack Nicholson you're not. There is no truth to be found in your or Savage's words.

    "All you have is YOUR truth. That does not mean it is THE truth, it's your truth and your truth does not trump reality or anyone else's truth."

    YOU JUST BROKE MY IRONY METER!

    "And the truth is homosexuality is innocous"

    Rampant AIDS and other STDs, gay bowel disease, antibiotic-resistant staph infections, increased mental health issues, and much, much more -- all backed up by decades of research by secular medical sources.

  43. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    SC, in order for Mr. Savage to be a blasphemer, he would have to be of the faith. He isn't. And the reason he isn't, along with all others, is because we have read it and studied it. There was a recent study done that proved that atheists and non-believers know more about the bible and religion than the believers. That's why we are atheists and non-believers. Just one example, I live in SLC, Utah, and I know more about Mormonism than the Mormons do.

  44. Lynn
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    I am so proud of these young people for walking out.

  45. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    "Jay, and you cast the first stone."

    I've never said gays should be put to death by stoning or any other means, liar. "Cast the first stone" is, contrary to your unbiblical, namby-pamby, false interpretation of Scripture, not about words. Unsurprisingly, it is fully apparent that you are completely unaware that after Jesus taught that to the crowd, he turned to the woman and condemned her adultery. Was he "casting stones" at her?

  46. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    "SC, in order for Mr. Savage to be a blasphemer, he would have to be of the faith."

    Uh... No definition of blasphemy has that condition. Stop making stuff up, liar.

  47. AM
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    This the same guy who, while sick with the flu, went to a republican candidate's campaign headquarters; licked the doorknobs, coughed on coffee cups,etc. attempting to make people sick.
    Class act.

  48. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Jay, whatever gets you through the day. Have a good one.

  49. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    "There was a recent study done that proved that atheists and non-believers know more about the bible and religion than the believers."

    Another lie.

    http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2011/10/pew-study-does-not-say-atheists-know.html

    "That's why we are atheists and non-believers."

    No, it's not.

  50. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    "Jay, whatever gets you through the day. Have a good one."

    Thank you for conceding.

  51. AJ
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    He knows very little about the Bible. He claims to be against it, so how could he be an expert? His ignorance blatantly shows.

    There is something called an "old covenant" and a "new covenant" There are time/cultural differences that we don't live according to anymore.

    One thing is clear: homosexuality is wrong and always will be. Its not just "Leviticus" that says so, its also the NEW Testament. He failed to realize that important point.

    Hes also wrong about slavery and a host of other things. It is NOT endorsed by the Bible. And he fails to give credit to Christians in Europe and the U.S. You know, the ones that ENDED slavery. hmm, conveniently left that out. He also left out all the humanitarian relief by Christians. Nearly all the relief organizations are by believers in God.

    How many atheist relief organizations are there? Can you think of even ONE? Yet there are countless thousands started by believers. How many atheist hospitals, nursing homes, homeless shelters? Can't think of a single one. He bashes good people. Former homosexuals tell us that the MOST LOVING thing to do is help gays get OUT of a destructive lifestyle. When we try to love gays, they call us haters. wow.

  52. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    I suspect eliasasm will be back later when he(?) thinks we've all lost interest so he can claim victory. That's a typical tactic of his ilk. That's why I bookmark pages like this when clowns like him come along.

  53. Posted April 30, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Jay McHue:

    Nice job.

    I like your style.

  54. nova
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    why are Christians so obsessed with sex?

  55. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    nova - Why are homosexuals so obsessed with sex?

  56. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    If the people who walked out are "pansy-assed" as Savage asserts, I wonder what descriptor could be best used to describe Savage based on his stretched out sphincter region? Jello-assed?

  57. Posted April 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    "nova - Why are homosexuals so obsessed with sex?"

    lol! No kidding. "Gay pride" events are nothing but huge public sex orgies. You don't see Christians doing that in public.

  58. Paul McMichael
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Oh yes, AJ. All those Christians in the Southern states who had to be beaten into submission so wedded were they to what St Paul himself states.

  59. Paul McMichael
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Jay, HIV aside, gay men have the same physical health outcomes as straight men. Mental health is adversely impacted by societal disapproval. Gay teens without adequate support is a proven risk factor in teen suicide. How does it feel to be part of a decreasing minority?

    Actually, I know ALL about minorities but you have my sympathy about the future oblivion of religious extremism.

  60. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Hey Jay, just wondering which pride events you have attended where there were huge public sex orgies. I have been to several pride events and I unfortunately have not seen or participated in any orgies.. Dang!

  61. Paul McMichael
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Oh and one other thing Jay. The 'Jesus is god, son, word' thing? Totally disingenuous response. Answer the question.

  62. D
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I would label Mr Savage as a fool. Sounds like he has only read certain parts of the Bible and quotes those parts out of context..with no understanding of Old Testament history and culture. He needs to read the New Testament, especially John 3:16 or here is a good veerse - Phil 2:9-11 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

  63. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Gay pride parades:

    http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/pages/Gay-Pride-Parade-nudity-still-baffling-scientists-Scrape-TV-The-World-on-your-side.html

  64. Ash
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Great job, Jay McHue.

  65. nova
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Here's what Savage has to say:

    “I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised. I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against — and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying 'motivated by faith') — because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong.”

    @Overcame: why are you so obsessed with gay sex?

  66. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    nova asks: @Overcame: why are you so obsessed with gay sex?

    Because I used to participate in it and it almost ruined my life.

  67. Good News
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Born that way:
    What does the bible have to do with people being resistant to homos. Not warming to homos is simply a healthy force of nature; people are born that way. No one needs a god to tell them homos should not be honored. Such facts are just a given to the instincts of an average human being. Granted there are always exceptions to the norm. And we can be respecting of them, but giving such anomalies a microphone and platform is going a bit far; as this sad clown makes evident. This poor fellas problem is once the last bible has been burned, he is going to wake up to find that he's still gay, and only half a Man. You want to see someone really piste off at the world? Invite him back then.
    (I'm venting here. For how much absurdity, incompetence and damage can we be expected to bear from the leaders of our country?)

  68. Son of Adam
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    "HIV aside, gay men have the same physical health outcomes as straight men."

    Not true. Results in numerous health problems to those who practice it, including colon and rectal cancer, and hepatitis. Moreover, gay and bisexual men account for more than 60 percent of all syphilis cases.

    "Mental health is adversely impacted by societal disapproval. Gay teens without adequate support is a proven risk factor in teen suicide."

    That's a good rationale, except the same mental health issues and suicide rates have not been noted in other minorities like blacks and jews. Seeing how they've been discriminated against over the centuries, you'd think both would be at least as high amongst those minorities.

  69. Good News
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Here's an argument for him to attack:
    Gay people "should" be discriminated against. But in a respectable, and non bullying way.
    And being gay "is" wrong; when parading it proudly in front of my kids, in the streets or on stage.

    Okay so the guy needs love and acceptance and good role models, and good elders, and love. But at this point, more than anything else he needs to repent, and not even about his actions, but simply about his attitude. One step at a time. I would hope he got something out of his upbringing that could serve as a light.

  70. Rick
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    So if you overcome homosexuality, why are you so wrapped up in others gay lives? I think the solution to the whole debate is to eliminate any federal benefits tied to marriage. Everyone gets the same treatment....single, straight, married, gay, whatever.

  71. Barb Chamberlan
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The fact is that there are already policies against bullying. Those policies apply to all potential victims of bullying, not just those who identify as being "gay." The obvious answer is to enforce the policies that are already in place.

    Mr. Savage and his followers want special bullying policies for gay kids, just as they want special "marriage" privileges. He and the rest of the opposition cares little about bullying. Their real motivation is to get their special "curriculum" into the schools in order to indoctrinate children.

    Mr. Savage can spew forth (almost) anything he wants, but he needs to learn where free speech ends and bullying begins. He crossed the line when he bullied these kids.

  72. eliasasm
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    To Jay and Overcame, Ever been to Carnaval in Brazil or Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Straight public nudity and perversion and in Brazil 76% christian participation. What's your point.

  73. Zack
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    @eliasasm

    You realize brazil is more secular than we are right?

  74. LonesomeRhoades
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    This guy promotes any and all kinds of sexual expression. He is about as immoral as they come. Based on his ideology, his beliefs, it is fair to call him a piece of trash.
    Oh and by the way, man was made for woman and woman made for man. Therefore, choosing to engage in a homosexual act is aberrant behavior.

  75. Posted April 30, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    For those who have the stomach for it, here are more examples of Savage's bullying. (Why did the leaders of the journalism conference choose this guy to speak to teens?)
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7B49EED461-FBB2-43AD-A9A2-0BABF3FC1793%7D&title=Dan-Savage-Bully&utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Round+Up%2C+April+30%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Breitbart+News+Round+Up%2C+April+30%2C+2012&utm_term=More

  76. OvercameSSA
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    elias asks: "Ever been to Carnaval in Brazil or Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Straight public nudity and perversion and in Brazil 76% christian participation. What's your point."

    Pointing to the fact that other people act badly does not excuse the bad acts of the first person. So other people are sexual perverted; what's your point?

    Here's another link for you: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/m4m/

    And another: http://grindr.com/learn-more

    No, homosexual men are not sexually obsessed.

  77. Faye
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    "Savage" really lives up to his name.

  78. John Noe
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Watched this video and I am so proud of these fine young Christian teens and supporters who got up and walked out and refused to listen to this bigot, hater, and scum.
    If I had been there I would have done the same. Kudos to those brave kids as we need more of them. Given the slime that Savage is I would have not even wanted to hear this lowlife speak. I would not have wanted to attend or walked out the moment he came on stage.

    As far as the people cheering this filth, well that would be the liberals, progressives, atheists, agnostics, and seculars showing their true colors.

    If they really believed in tolerance for all then they too would have walked out.

  79. Robert
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I think most normal people are tired of Xtian bullying. It's bad enough they indoctrinate their own kids to hate others, but to encourage other peoples' kids? That crosses a line.

  80. Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    "Hey Jay, just wondering which pride events you have attended where there were huge public sex orgies. I have been to several pride events and I unfortunately have not seen or participated in any orgies.. Dang!"

    Check out http://zombietime.com/ Look for documentation on San Francisco street "fairs."

  81. Carol
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    A seriously, many of u pro NOM supporters need some therapy. Your violent and full of hate and your as far away from Jesus intended as u can be.

  82. Charles
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Any amateur biblical scholar could point you to the Council of Jerusalem on why shellfish is allowed for Christians, but Levitical unlawful marriages are not. Savage is not being intellectually honest in his criticisms.

  83. Carol
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    OvercameSSA.....pretending to be straight does not mean you r. Your in for a rough road ahead deceiving the deepest part of another person. I feel sorry for your wife....she deserves better.

  84. Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    "Jay, HIV aside, gay men have the same physical health outcomes as straight men."

    100% dead wrong, and groups like the CDC, the Mayo Clinic, etc. all agree with me.

    "Mental health is adversely impacted by societal disapproval."

    Again, 100% dead wrong. In 2003, a study was done in the very accepting continent of Europe. The results were quite shocking:

    http://www.narth.com/docs/symptoms.html

    "Gay teens without adequate support is a proven risk factor in teen suicide."

    Except that gay teens don't commit suicide at any statistically greater rate than straight teens.

    "How does it feel to be part of a decreasing minority?"

    You mean the decreasing minority of people who are educated, well-read and don't fall for the lies of gays and their supporters?

    "Actually, I know ALL about minorities but you have my sympathy about the future oblivion of religious extremism."

    Delusional thinking is a mental disorder common among liberals.

  85. marlowe
    Posted April 30, 2012 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Dan Savage is the stereotypical angry unstable disgustingly creepy pervert.

  86. Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    "Oh and one other thing Jay. The 'Jesus is god, son, word' thing? Totally disingenuous response. Answer the question."

    It's only "disingenuous" to someone who doesn't have the slightest clue about the God he is criticizing. God forbids homosexuality in Leviticus. Jesus is God. Thus, Jesus for forbids homosexuality in Leviticus. That is the answer to your question. That you cannot wrap your tiny mind around this fact is not something I can help you with.

  87. Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    "Ever been to Carnaval in Brazil or Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Straight public nudity and perversion and in Brazil 76% christian participation. What's your point."

    What's YOUR point? Most Christians don't celebrate Carnival or Mardi Gras, so your argument is disingenuous on its face.

  88. Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Not allowing gay "marriage" is no more discrimination against gays than not allowing someone to marry more than one person at a time is discrimination against polygamists.

  89. byrd
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    THIS guy is an anti-bully speaker? He sounds like the worlds most vicious, hate- filled, hate mongering bully on the planet !! Oh, I get it, he’s only against people who bully gay people, other than that, you’re not only on your own, he might jump in with the bullying.

    This guy gives humankind a bad name.

  90. Carol
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Jay mchue.... you r absolutely a perfect example of someone who is clueless spiritually of who Jesus was. Your hate filled, violent and spiritually repulsive. You worship thes word written down by men....who were more iinterested in control then doing what jesus iinstructed . U will never know the kingdom of God. Wake up!.

  91. M. Jones
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    The poor man ignores natures law right in front of him. People are born male and female. Marriage integrates the sexes in order to provide and support the best environment for the raising of children. Some that can't control their SSA might be required to be treated with medroxyprogesterone acetate SSA is a pathological disorder. Major medical organizations have proven this, see the American Academy of Pediatrics.

  92. Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    @Carol: It is you who is "clueless spiritually of who Jesus was." Here's Jesus speaking about the Levitical moral Law prohibiting homosexuality (and other things):

    "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." --Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:18

    Heaven and earth still exist, therefore God's Law has not been abolished and the prohibitions against homosexuality and other sins that still exist stand.

    You worship a false god, Carol. A god concocted between your own two ears. A god that allows you to hold on to your sinful life. You call Jesus "Lord," but you don't mean it. You are in great danger of hearing him say to you, "Depart from me, for I never knew you."

  93. M. Jones
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Correction, American College of Pediatrics. The other is controlled by SSM activists.

  94. Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    @Carol: What exactly have I said that is hateful or violent?

  95. Little Man
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    That's what you get for inviting a Savage to speak as an educational experience. I mean, looks like the guy shows up in a wet suit... And what are his arguments? Simply that he says so.

  96. Posted May 1, 2012 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Jay McHue
    You win on all counts, my good sir. I gave all of my own facts to Elias, but he's too busy freelancing a butt boil to report it.

    This also means Dan "Anti-Christ" Savage needs to get an orientation change this decade.

    --Victor Golf Charles, M.D. (Marriage Defender)

    "If a man lies with another man as he lieth with a woman, both men have committed an abomination: they shall be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    --Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13

  97. eliasasm
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    "If a man lies with another man as he lieth with a woman, both men have committed an abomination: they shall be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    This is exactly the point Mr. Savage was making. To say what the bible says and not follow through. What are you waiting for?

  98. OvercameSSA
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Didn't notice the wet suit. Must have just come from a watersports event. For those of you not aware of what "watersports" means to the male homosexual community, here's a link. WARNING: this is pornographic:

    http://gaywatersports.tumblr.com/

  99. nova
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    @ Overcame: LOL! you are priceless! please, post us more pictures so you can continue to revel and work yourself up into a frenzy at just how sick and perverted gay people are.

    it's so transparent to everyone else.

  100. JeremiahA
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    While making so many comments on the Bible, Dan Savage has much to say about nothing...since he misrepresents what the Bible teaches. If he disagrees with the Bible, fine. Misrepresenting it is simple intellectual dishonesty.

  101. Fedele Razio
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    A Nation allowing such violence and hate speech being spread out by violent people like Savage is going nowhere...

  102. eliasasm
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/04/north-carolina-man-films-himself-firing.html

  103. Savage_is_a_monster
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    I watched his speech and it sounds like hate speech to me. His insults, humiliation tactics, and chastising those who are standing up for their faith show that he really is a bully himself. :-( I hope the NSPA will do a better job of screening their keynote speakers. Today's young people need positive examples to follow, not people like Savage who are fanning the flames of hate.

  104. eliasasm
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Overcame, do you have a point? I'm shocked that NOM would allow consenting adult material.
    http://www.peesquad.com/

  105. Posted May 1, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    I see you've gone from stupid to self-destructive, eliasasm. Enjoy your eventual ban.

  106. Posted May 1, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    "This is exactly the point Mr. Savage was making. To say what the bible says and not follow through. What are you waiting for?"

    I'm not waiting for anything. We live under grace, now. Tell me, why is it that you Bible critics never bother to actually understand what it is you are criticizing.

  107. GZeus
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    One guess as to what OvercameSSA's hard drive is filled with.

  108. OvercameSSA
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Huh, couldn't get elias's link to work. I suppose because it's not much visited. Not many straight women out there willing to be urinated on, I'd guess.

    My links work pretty darn fast, especially that gay anonymous hook-up site with over 1 million members which, on a daily basis, over 250,000 Grindr users spend an average of 1.5 hours using the application. Pretty high numbers given the small percentage of gays there are.

    You can't deny the sexual obsession of the male homosexual community.

  109. Posted May 1, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    @eliasism
    I'm not waiting for anything. It's already happening.

    --Victor Golf Charles, and have a nice day.

  110. Posted May 1, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Taking your biblical hermeneutic from Dan Savage is like ordering your pork sausage from the Orthodox rabbi.

    Only the extremely stupid, or extremely trenchant, would even consider such an absurdity.

  111. eliasasm
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Jay, I'm not getting where your logic is coming from. How have I gone from stupid to destructive by pointing out that there is about a .0001% difference between what gays do and what straights do. I know y'all want to think that there are vast differences. There aren't and it's all over the web, gay, straight and anything and everything inbetween. It's quite telling that some of you 'straight' men who cruise around here seem to know more about gay sex than straight sex cause if you knew as much about straight sex as you do about gay sex you would know it's all pretty much the same. And please don't insult yourselves by responding with the old and tired procreation story. Sex is not all about procreation. If serves a plethora of purposes. If you don't don't understand that, I feel sorry for all of you

  112. D
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Sex was deisigned by God for enjoyment and procreation by a MAN and a WOMAN in the bonds of marriage. That is what the Bible says. MAN and Woman, not man and man, woman and woman, or any other perversion. Get a Bible and read it...FOOL!

  113. Randy E King
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    eliasasm,

    As you cruise the river denial we ask that you take a moment and ponder that it may not be what they do, but what results from what they do.

    And that my friend makes all the difference in the world.

  114. eliasasm
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I come here honestly and respectfully to try to gain some kind of understanding of why you people are doing what you are doing so we can have some kind of coexistence on this planet. I ask questions and share other points of views in a sane and humane manner and I'll I get is attacked, called names and words put in my mouth. Basically, you are doing to me what you will not tolerate from anyone. How are problems going to be solved when we cannot communicate?

  115. M. Jones
    Posted May 1, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    eliasasm, first read the bible, for a better understanding of what God created and why marriage matters.

  116. Carl Jonson
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Talk about "heterophobia." Dan wants to takl about bullshit. Let's start wtih "phobia." No one that is against gay marriage has an irrational fear of homosexuals. I have encountered many gay people, not once have I tremled uncontraollably, yelled out or cowered in fear.

    Secondly, his lack of bibilical understanding is obvious. As stated the Jews were the persecuted slaves in the Old Testament and slavery in itself was a social class. One would be born into slavery.

    As far as eating shelfish and pork that was an Old Testament mandate that stated they were unclean (not kosher) which is still practiced by the Jews because that was eradicated in the New Testament when St. Peter had a vision in which he saw all sorts of animals and was told that what God has made should not be deemed unclean. Christians, who in the early days were a sect within Judiasm, adapted new eating habits as a result.

    Stoning Virgins, again in the Old Testament. Jesus has a famous encounter with a crowd about to stone a prostitute. He steps in front and says, he without sin cast the first stone. Here, we see the difference of the New and Old testament. Jesus fulfilling the law. By the way, the church still teaches abstinance until marriage.

    The Old Testament was a list of Don'ts. When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was he said that you should love God with all heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.

    Forgiveness and love over atonement.

    That said, Jesus still was there to get people on the narrow gate to heaven. Our humanity is imperfect which leads to sin. Jesus understands that and out of love he died on a cross so that sins maybe forgiven.

    Jesus did not preach directly regarding homosexuality becuase in the Jewish culture that was clearly spelled out as an abomination. He does speak of marriage as a man and woman becoming one flesh to support.

    St. Paul on the other hand was preaching to a Roman and Greek culture that was more diverse. There Paul has to address homoseexuality in his letter to the Romans.

    Morality is based on Natural Law which is reflected in the decalogue (10 commandments). Male and Females are complimentary. That is the natural order. Relations between male/male or female/female is unnatural. I say that in a completely scientific manner. That is something completely overlooked by certain groups, that many of the Church teachings are based on science just as much as theology. You see you need a man and a woman to procreate. Sex is a wonderful experience. It has two functions one of a unitive nature and one of a procreative (pleasure is a biproduct to encourage closeness and procreation). With homosexuality one of the two main functions is missing. It is not a complete union. Is procreation the only reason for marriage? No, however the family is what keeps the society going. I have heard many times that the ability to have children isn't a necessity for marriage. Actually, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, at least, impotency is an impediment to marraige. Dispensations can be given, but that is how important the live giving process is. Men and women are built to compliment each other.

    Lastly, i would just like to point out the hypocricy if you will of such liberal people or groups as Mr. Savage. They want freedom to speek openly and freely about who they are or what they believe and rightly so. However, if someone has an opinion different from theirs they are labeled as being hateful or "phobic." None of which are true in most cases. The problem with freedom is that all are to be free. I have my reasons for not being in favor of gay marriage and I believe I have science as well as my faith morals to back up what i believe. If Mr. Savage and the like would like the freedom to believe what they do, give me the freedom to believe what I do without insults and mocking. The issue of legalizing marraige of course is an issue that must be debated. What is marraige? What is the purpsose? To me it is an issue that has been settled by biology. You need a man and a woman. Plain and simple. If you think that population is not a problem, think about countries in Europe that have to offer financial insentives for couples to have children because the population (work force, tax payers) is too low.

    Bottom line, no one is perfect. I try to live my faith as best as I can. Do I fall yes. I get back up and try again. Whatever makes a homosexual what they are I am not sure. Like a heterosexual struggling to live chastly until marraige, it is a vocation to live as called to at whatever station of life that is. Single - abstinence. Married - fidelity. Religious - celibacy.

  117. MissE
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Clearly he got emotional and took the speech as an opportunity to vent. There are many ways to send an anti-bullying message but bullying isn't one of them. I'm so sorry to see the other students who stayed inside clapping and cheering about "beating up the Bible". I would never denegrate ANYONE's Holy Book regardless of whether I agree with it or not - clearly THAT is INTOLERANCE.

  118. S. riv
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    This guy is very disrespectful towards others. What a shame someone allowed him to speak about bullying especially to children who are so vulnerable to begin with. Poor man! It seems like he is on a power trip.

  119. Proppa
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    "I come here honestly and respectfully to try to gain some kind of understanding"

    LOL! You came here to antaginize. At least be honest about it. You so far have shown no such thing as respect for anyone who disagrees with your homosexual pro stance, disregard the very claims and words of Jesus and the bible and the sad thing is, outside of looking up snipets on the net out of context, it is rather clear you have never read nor understood the bible. I'll challenge any of you non-believers anyday to a test of who knows more about the bible.

  120. Mary
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    People are very confused as to why Christians don't follow all the laws of the Bible. I will try to explain this in very simple lay terms. There is Natural Law (sexual morality, Ten Commandments, etc.), and then there are laws I will call Mosaic Law. The Mosaic law was punitive (don't eat pork...) and also helped the Hebrews distinguish pagan practices from God's. Jesus fulfilled that law. So while Natural Law still stands, the laws that helped govern the Hebrews were fulfilled, because He was the New Covenant. I'm shocked that the basis for all Christianity has been confused and lost.

  121. Tirtza
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Savage is uneducated he just doesn't understand the Bible. Why doesn't he talk about what he's paid to talk about anti--bullying.
    There are also a lot of people, leaving comments here, who don't understand the Books of Moses.
    It's unfortunate that the Bible has BEEN USED BY PEOPLE to justify many things, now he's using those "justifications" to tear down all religion and promote a new agenda.

  122. ChuckGG
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    His language was harsh but his points of selective interpretation of the bible holds merit. Why is shellfish okay but being gay is not? Both are from the OT so it is speaking from the OT and not a comparison of OT and NT. Same with slavery, etc. I would be curious to see just how many student (percentage) walked out.

  123. Mike
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    the majority of Christians in America are Gentiles Not Jews. The Old Law as laid out in the Old Testament was never intended for the Gentiles. Salvation became available to Gentiles after Jesus came & the New covenant was put in place. So, why Savage would use the Old Law to say that we ignore some & follow others would only mean he doesn't understand any of it. He just knows some references to get the attention of others who don't know any better. As for Homosexuals, they can be compared to pedophiles in their mental state. But I guess that would be a touchy subject since Pedophilia is widely known as a mental disease.

  124. Andy
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    People like Savage have been around forever trying to justify their sin/error, and they're not going away anytime soon. People like Savage are a dime a dozen and no biggie! People like Savage have no concept on context and a text out of context is a pretext. Just the brief diatribe that he gave behind the "bully pulpit" if you will, showed his ignorance to be on a colossal scale. I feel sorry for people like Savage, not only are they Biblically ignorant, but ignoring the Creator who sent His Son to die for them, hence paid a penalty that they could never pay out of a love that people like Savage couldn't possibly fathom. 1st Peter 3:15 says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."

  125. Andy
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Savage showed absolutely no respect for us; let us be the better of the two! Jesus would.

  126. Mike S
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    it's a shame you religious church go-ers are such a bunch of sheeple... don't you realize heaven is here on earth, life it is what you make of it, for better or worse... you create your own heaven or hell right here, right now... be concerned of your own life, living it the best you can and leave here with the world a better place than you found it...

    The hate you create will be with you and yours for generations to follow ... in your last days you will look back on your life and wonder if you've done any good or was your life a waste and you could have done better.... that is how you will be judged

  127. p
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Jesus fulfilled the laws found in the Old Testament. That is why a virgin is not stoned at her fathers doorstep.... and why we are no longer held to the rest of the laws found in the OT. The purpose of all the laws given to Moses was for people to see that they could not be perfect enough to earn their own salvation. That is why we need Jesus. His argument that we pick and choose is exactly what he did. He doesn't even know what he is talking about when it comes to the Bible. I also think him quite the hypocrite to speak about bullying and then bully the Christians that quietly left the room. They didn't jump up and hurl insults at him... they got up and quietly left so he could continue his hate speech to the rest of the crowd. Surely his goons wouldn't have done that... if it was someone speaking Biblically about homosexuality I am sure they would have been ranting and screaming. I am proud of those kids and hope that my kids grow up to maintain the decorum that those kids did in leaving and then being belittled afterwards. I actually feel very sorry for him. He'll be in my prayers.

  128. Mark
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    This guy himself is the biggest bully I have seen. Makes sense to get a bully to talk about bully. He has certainly shown what bully looks like.
    If you do not understanbd the bible than it best not to try to talk about it.
    If the President does not say something about his comments than it would be reason enough for me if I was American to not vote for Obama.

  129. eliasasm
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Proppa, How is sharing another point of view and trying to gain understanding ataganizing? Logic would say that the one feel antaganized would be the one that is intolerant of any point of view other than their own.
    No one here has showed me much respect, I have been attacked personally and called names and a liar.
    I am not here to get anyone to agree with me. What you believe is your choice and you are free to choose and believe. The issue that everyone is missing is what you are doing with what you believe. But you will do anything to avoid that issue. Good example, you want to attack the web sites (messenger) instead of debating the content (message) and would rather debate the bible which is not the issue. This is why this whole gay issue is not going to go away until you stop attacking the messenger and listen to the message. I find it so ironic that that is your story. Jesus was the messenger who was put to death so his message could not be heard.
    I come here for dialoge and debate, but that doesn't and can't happen because you have one point of view and that point of view comes from one book and that one book is not up for debate because that is not allowed and nothing else can be debated because your point of view comes from that one book. All you can do is attack the messenger and pay no attention to the message. Everything in Life is a message and there is a message in every moment. Don't kill the messenger.

  130. eliasasm
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Andy, wouldn't it be disrespectful to deem yourself worthy of what some else does as sinful and not allow them to live their life as they choose just like you do? Wouldn't it be disresepectful to think that what you believe is right and what someone else believes is wrong? Wouldn't it be dis-respectful to go after someone who has done nothing to you? Wouldn't it be dis-respectful to say that someone has offended you when in reality you are choosing to be offended?

  131. Olaf
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    I have two things to say:
    One is that gays have a way of vengeance and they will say something insulting to our spiritual way of life to get back at us. I commend the students who departed.
    second is that the church of Christ must come to grips with the persecution of people who oppose gay marriage and gay relationships. The loss of jobs and student persecution will get worse. We need a better response.

  132. Stan
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    IF homosexuality was genetic, where did the genetic material come from? Homosexuals don't reproduce.
    So therefore, they can NOT be born that way.

    I Refuse to call a homosexual "gay". If I did, I might as well call a murder "happy".

  133. Jane Gilroy
    Posted May 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I'm inspired by the courage of the students who walked out on Mr. Savage's tirade. They were not intimidated either by him or by their peers. They gave evidence of thinking for themselves and knowing where they stand on this issue. This obviously was not an open debate, merely an attempt at indoctrination.

  134. Ruth Friesen
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    No matter what anyone says...."God will be the judge" Believe it or not??

  135. Carla
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    First of all, I'm proud of the students and administrators who quietly, and with dignity, walked out.

    This man is going to be working for the Obama administration, and he is a bullying Christians?

    He also presents himself as if he has a clue about the Bible, and he is completely and totally ignorant of what he's claiming as truth.

    WOW! Only in a world where up is down and down is up.

  136. Ruth Friesen
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    No matter what anyone says...."God will be the judge." Believe it or not!

  137. Posted May 3, 2012 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    I guess Mr. savage swallowed the apple Adam ate, as it seems to be lodged in his windpipe. He should have been stopped from speaking as soon as some of the children walked out.

  138. malcolm
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    To all the unbelievers and gays, people are not born gay, it is a choice, you have chosen to live a life that the bible says will only lead to eternity in hell .God gave us the ability to make choices, otherwise we would be like zombies or robots. But just ponder this, come judgement day and you are standing before God and are found wanting, and as you are about to be cast into the fiery pit of hell, don't blame God , it was your choice. what , you say there is no God, well we could argue that point till the cows come home. but think about this, if you are right and I'm wrong and there is no God, what harm was done , I have lived a life with love and compassion toward my fellow man, tried to be as helpful as I can be, helped out at the school, sporting events, and the old persons home. But what if I'm right and your wrong, you will spend eternity in hell instead of a literal paradise in heaven, how could a God do that to people you say, don't blame God it was your choice

  139. Mark
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    This is a great example of bullying and all students should have walked out in protest. It does not matter if you agree with what a bully is saying or not. If you see an incident of bullying happening it is everyones' responsibilty to act.
    Instead of laughing which only intensified the bullying, all students should have walked out and made a complaint to the appropriate people.
    The bully should be removed and made to apologise.

  140. Bud
    Posted May 3, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    SAVAGE IS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. First of all, I am very familiar with intelligent gays who do not have the vile bigotry against anything in the Bible. Savage is truly nothing but a pompous narcisistic Queen of the first rank. He even has and still works very hard at appearing to be a masculine man which he isn't. He even portrays himself as being sexually desired even by heterosexual men which is a big laugh. He needs to work on his screwed up self rather than bullying Christians who are too far ahead of him to ever be successful at what he's trying to do. Why does he quote a Bible when he doesn't even project any belief whatsoever even in the God involved in the Bible. But, why does he hate everyone that does. Simple, he is so stuck on himself that it's impossible for anyone else to be right. That is the ilk that brings him in to speak. What a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  141. Posted May 3, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    I hope that authorities do not justify this kind of ignorance . This man was well informed and was very intricate with his speach that is if he were holding hands with satan and he can go to hell where he honestly belongs . Well I am not going to serve him because I was at one time trash just like this man savage but just like Jesus salvaged me He can salvage savage . Thank you Jesus and I ask that you forgive him and direct his footsteps on the right path . May the conviction in his heart bring him to your heart Lord , amen .

  142. Jon
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    I just wanted to comment on this. First off all, i was a christian at one point in my life and this could be offense to christian people. I understand what he is saying and i agree to an extent. HOwever, this conference in my opinion was not the time nor the place to talk about religion. He should keep his views of that to a more appropiate time. This had nothing to do with bullying in my opinion.

  143. Jerry
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Savage is a Punk he would never say that to a christian man he better be on a Big Screen Tv n miles away. You insult the Bible you declare war on Christians. He is sick, evil, perverted, sinful, weak cowardly Liberal trash. Savage your a coward and a a sinner wake up we did!

  144. Lawrence
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    So many more kids, in their hearts, wanted to walk out, but peer pressure kept them in their seats. Let's pray that they will find courage to be faithful in the future, touched by the act of courage they witnessed on that day.

  145. Posted May 4, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I hope I am saying something new for this blog. I apologize if I am not. But a clarification must be made and clear in our minds. It is not "being gay" that is sinful, it is the unchaste behavior out side of marriage between one man and one woman that is sinful. This is a behavior we ALL must live up to to be in good standing with God. Unchaste behavior is unhealthy, unloving, dehumanizing, and leads anyone, whether they are gay or straight, down a very lonely and dark path of life. The glory is that we are all precisous in God's eyes and we can ALL be free from the unchaste behaviors if we choose to follow Him and change our behaviors. We ALL have free will and we All have the capability to control ourselves. The message isn't one of you are unloved because you are gay. Really! I mean is someone unloved because they are an achoholic? No. The message is that none of us are excempt from this sin of impurity. We are all putting ourselves into harms way and dangers that have eternal consequences every time we lustfully enjoy, look upon, talk about, or actually commit unchaste behaviors outside the one man/one woman marriage convenant. The message is everyone needs to behave better, in speech, in our eyes, and in our behavior if we are to live better. For the way we act is the way we believe. Our hearts are ill if we behave ill. So, keeping close awareness of our impure tendencies is how we grow in purity of heart and soul. And maybe a little more love will go around and less hate to everyone.
    I feel sorry for Mr. Savage, for he is deeply hurt and finds relief and satisfaction in hurting others. he truly seems lost. Pray for him.
    Sue

  146. Leona Nelson
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    I fear what is ahead for this generation if people like this are allowed to express their opinions in our edu- cational systems. I understand that the constitution protects all of us and, it seems many of us do not have the privilege to express what we believe. I am a former teacher of 25 years and in my college years I had to fight for my beliefs. God still reigns even tho' sin seems to prevail at this time.

  147. Rico
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Dan Savage is a pro homosexual bully, and I'm glad he's showing his true colours.. That way us who believe that homosexual fornication and it's lifestyle are wrong know that he is a heterosexual bigot. Savage, you are a pansie.

  148. Peter
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    If my kids were there, I would hope that they would leave. I don't think people are lifted to soar with eagles when they are exposed to people who live in the gutter of humanity. This guy has low standards of civilization and character and should not be in a postition of power to influence the young. I do not want my kids looking up to a person like this.

  149. Dave G
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    So are the students in that hall supposed to learn how to be kind, or non-bullying by listening to a guy mock and call names to those who quietly disagree? "Your actions are speaking so loud, I can't hear what you're saying", Mr. Savage.

  150. OSCAR TOCE SGT.RETIRED/ARNG/U.S. ARMY/ U.S. ARMY R
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    I was very disturbed by the comments made by this person. I have 4 children and if this person ever came to my kids school I would tell to WALK OUT TOO.. I served this COUNTRY for 24 YEARS and my FELLOW SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN who went to war in over the past 200 YEARS AND DIED OR CAME HOME WOUNDED to give this guy the right to BASH CHRISTIAN PEOPLE IS AN OUTRAGE. I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD OF IT!!! As a CHILD I was Abused By HOMOSEXUALS and it nearly DESTROYED me. I have FORGIVEN THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID THAT TO ME BUT I CAN NEVER forget. I am PROUD ts see THESE YOUNG ADULTS WALK OUT IT TOOK A LOT COURAGE TO DO THAT!!! TALK ABOUT BULLYING THIS GUY TAKES THE CAKE AND THEN SOME. HOW LONG DO WE AS CHRISTIANS HAVE TO LET THESE KIND OF PEOPLE PUSH THEIR AGENDAS ON US ??????? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE BIBLE AND IF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WAS TO SEE WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS LIKE TODAY THEY WOULD BE IN SHOCK.. WE AS PARENTS NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THESE KIND ATTACKS!! I MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT WE CAN PRAY THAT TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR COUNTRY. IF HE HAD INSULTED THE ISLAM RELIGION THEY WOULD HAVE CALLED FOR LIFE TO BE SNUFFED OUT, IF HE TALKED ABOUT THE KORAN LIKE HE DID WITH BIBLE.. SO WHATS UP WITH THAT???????

  151. robyn
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    This "anti-bullying" advocate is doing the very thing he preaches against.

  152. haroldt
    Posted May 4, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    The man is a COWARD..and a bully. Knowing young people where in the audience he savagely attacked their beliefs. I have neever seen such an un-excusable ABUSE heaped from a stage.
    This guy is miserable inside!

  153. Keith
    Posted May 7, 2012 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    "People are dying because they can't get past this one last hurdle"

    Oh...How?

    I thought they were dying from AIDS. I thought that the statistical incidence of ALL STD's was exponentially higher in the homosexual community. I thought that the walls of the rectum were very fragile and that pseudo-sexual activity often tears them, exposing the perpetrator to huge onslaught of whatever bacteria is present in the faecal matter and the semen. I thought that semen in the rectum challenged the immune system.

    But hang on a mo.... all those things ARE true!

    But let's not talk about any of those things because the homosexual minority finds it distasteful. Let's just call thrusting the penis into another person's anus the equivalent of sexual intercourse and honour it with the title of "marriage". After all, there's a multitude of heterosexuals to pay the health bill.

  154. Gary
    Posted May 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Savage has no idea what he is talking about regarding the bible. He makes his ignorance sound very good and "knowledgeable" but it is never the less ignorance.

  155. rich fatta
    Posted May 7, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    well here we go the slow down fall and morals of America, how can any high school or any school for that matter allow a person of that mans attitude or his idea of religion be allowed to speak to young people
    who have no idea of what life is about yet.
    But when you think about it so many young men fought and died for him to speak in freedom like that and i think all of them and any of us who served will say shame on you but his day will come when the Lord will say to him so what have you done to feed my sheep????

  156. Keith
    Posted May 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    DEAR MODERATOR,

    Please disregard my last message (of a couple of minutes ago) to you, and accept my apologies. I see that after a day or so my original message was in fact posted even while I was writing my last message to you.

  157. Thos Fran
    Posted May 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Even without the condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible we are created male and female and those who promote homosexuality are advocating an anomalous and disgusting behavior. Savage's tactic is to promote homosexuality under the cover of 'bullying'. Everyone's against bullying so if you tie it to homosexuality, you can make it more palatable, more socially acceptable. Kudos to those students who had the courage, great courage, to walk out. Shame on the school organizers who invited this guy. According to gay rhetoric, all you have to do to qualify as a bigot is to believe that homosexual behavior is wrong, in spite of the obvious biological contradiction of it.

  158. Cody
    Posted May 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    I am not offended by his comments at all. He is right there is a lot of "bullshit" ( Maybe he should have used a more prude word) in the bible. He lists them. I mean for Gods Sake it says in the bible we should stone woman to death if they get married and are not a virgin. We choose to ignore that commandment, but then we pick and choose other commandments to follow. Also I think Fox News is DISGRACEFUL. They completely chopped the video to make him look like a villain on purpose without playing the whole speech.