Canadian Government Official: Catholic Church "Not Allowed" to Teach on Sex Anymore



Catholic schools will no longer be allowed to teach the Catechism’s doctrine that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered,” says a cabinet minister in Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government.

As politicians debated a bill that would force Catholic schools to launch gay clubs on March 29th, Member of Provincial Parliament Glen Murray (Toronto Centre) lashed out against Ontario’s bishops over Catholic teaching on homosexuality.

“I have to say to the bishops: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore,’” said Murray, an open homosexual who serves as McGuinty’s Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities, according to the Hansard transcript.

“I’m not allowed to say to the Catholics—nor should I—or to other Christians or Muslims or Jews, that because of your faith you’re intrinsically disordered,” he continued.

“I would never say to you that anything that goes on in your family with the person you love—can you imagine me describing a husband-and-wife relationship as inherently depraved?” he added.

Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholics said Murray’s comments “amount to a declaration of war against the Catholic Church and all people who support traditional moral values.”

“We’ve been saying all along that McGuinty wants to dictate what the Church can teach in its schools and here it is straight from the government’s mouth,” Dominic added.


  1. ResistSSA
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    I wonder how many school teachers use the words "intrinsically disordered" in their classes. This is just a first step by homosexuals to destroy the Catholic Church, chipping away at it relentlessly, law by law, court case by court case. First, it can't be taught "in schools" then it can't be taught by the Church at all.

    Before you know it, "homosexual sex is the same as heterosexual sex" (even though it's completely different) and so-called "same-sex marriage" is the same as a real marriage (even though it's not) will be forced to be taught, with the boot of the pro-homosexual brownshirts' boots firmly in place on the Church's neck.

    Soon, the pedophiles and the polygamists will find their way into positions of authority in the government. How can a country survive when its morality is dictated by the government (which has destroyed religion) and the government is infiltrated by immoral people? It's the inmates running the asylum. Where are the Canadian sheep, er, people on this?

  2. Posted April 19, 2012 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    What this article fails to mention, is that Catholic schools in Ontario are funded by the Province. They are not "private" schools, but instead, because of the way the BNA 1867 was set up, receive their monies from Ontario. Thus, the government of Ontario should have say over what is taught in their schools.

  3. Posted April 19, 2012 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Even if they can't use the words "intrinsically disordered," in religious teachings, hopefully in health class they can mention all the risk factors and dangers associated with homosexual behavior. The diseases, the physiological and psychological damage, the higher risks for depression, domestic violence, suicide...

    If they really care about the health of the students--physical, mental, etc., they'll warn them. But then again, political agendas might trump real education.

  4. Barb Chamberlan
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    It's bizarre how some of today's politicians operate. They don't like certain religious doctrines and believe they should be changed. They don't like what someone says and want to legally shut the person up.

    There are some in the US who'd like to shred our Constitution and start over. Our president has complained publicly more than once about how restrictive our Constitution is. Duh.

    Under the new Constitution chocolate ice cream and unicorns would become a "human right."

    While we're at it, some of those Commandments are a little restrictive, too. Heck, let's rewrite 'em.

    Simply bizarre.

  5. Son of Adam
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Just because the government donates money to Catholic schools doesn't mean that they can assume the role of the thought police, Kyle. All western societies should respect freedom of religion instead of pressuring and penalizing those who decline to promote government backed dogma.

  6. dn
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Exactly right, kyle! NOM needs to understand Canada's language politics and the bizarre anachronisms that come from them before commenting on catholic education in Canada.

  7. Posted April 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink


    Now we get top find out whether there are still Catholic bishops in Ontario, or whether they have all apostatized.

    All eyes on Ontario.....

  8. Chairm
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    In Canada, the Catholic schools are Catholic, not anti-Catholic.

    The promoters of gay identity politics would have government impose anti-Catholic policies on Catholic institutions.

    That exemplifes the larger problem that connects to the threat to freedom of conscience and religious liberty in the USA. This is not merely a Catholic issue.

    But the politician quoted does not comprehend the teachings of the Catholic Church that he would prohibit.

    He is wrong to say that the Church teaches that the person is disordered.

    The behavior is morally disordered. That no gay advocate has managed to present a moral argument to back-up their moral assertion that same-sex sexual behavior is moral, ever, is a good sign that they stand on mere assertion and thus the governing authority that enforces that assertion is acting arbitrarily.

    This also exemplifies the problem that is being created by the promotion of gay identity politics over and above all other considerations.

  9. Marc
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    What a bunch of hooey. One person saying "you can't do that" doesn't make it so. And in context, his use of "can't" sounds more like "shouldn't" or, instead, "the church teaching that is really insulting and hurtful". Especially when the schools are publicly funded.

    And he's correct.

  10. David Madsen
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    These liberals are so moral-phobic!

  11. Louis E.
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Does Canada allow religious schools that it does not fund?...that's a key element in the freedom issue,though people do need to provide for teaching of beliefs other than their own to claim to live in a free society.

  12. QueerNE
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Teaching a non-scientific perspective under the guise of being scientific should be prohibited. Teach that it's spiritually disordered (even though there isn't a very clear definition of what 'spiritual' means), but to describe something as a disorder when it isn't should be prohibited. Unless they're not using the medical term 'disorder' in which case, what exactly are they referring to?

  13. Spense
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Amazing... Canada stops the teaching of the truth and teaches lies! Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany did the same thing... despicable!

  14. Posted April 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Permalink


    You need to understand something.

    We will teach the Catholic Faith.

    We will never cease.

    There is no law, no government, no movement, no power on earth or in heaven or in any other place whatsoever that will stop us.

    If you knew history, you would know this.

    Since you don't, you are about to repeat it.

  15. Chairm
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    These are Catholic schools. That politician's statement asserts an arbitrary exercise of the government's authority -- not to educate nor to teach sound public morality -- but to impose anti-Catholic policy on Catholic schools.

    This exemplifies the issue of freedom of conscience and religious liberty. It is not a purely Catholic issue. But it is an issue that exists in the USA as well. The advocates of gay identity politics intend to assert its supremacy over all other considerations and to push that as far as they can get away with.

    The politician quoted got it wrong, anyway.

    So did QueerNE.

    Catholic teaching is that the same-sex sexual behavior is morally disordered. This is not an issue that can be resolved by science. Nor by identity politics.

    The politician, and QueerNE implies as much, depends on a moral assumption that same-sex sexual behavior is moral, ever. That is a mere assertion that is not backed with sound moral argumentation.

    Make no mistake. The politician is making a moral claim in the name of the supremacy of gay identity politics; he is using the power of government to enforce a moral assumption that does not, by mere assertion, stake out neutral ground for government to act within. He does not even pretend to be neutral.

    This is not purely a Catholic issue. It is not purely a Canadian issue nor an Ontario issue. It is not purely a public education issue.

    On that last point there is a moral teaching being imposed on all Catholic schools and that is an anti-Catholic teaching that comes from the peculiar sectarianism that some people, like this politician, cling to in a leap of faith rather than scientific evidence.

  16. Posted April 20, 2012 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    I very much appreciate Chaim's points above.

    While the immediate issue speaks directly to our Catholic Faith, and it is necessary that the opposition understand that we will never be silenced, it is also true that this is not only a Catholic issue- that many other religious *and non religious* groups have skin in this game.

    The great opportunity, it seems to me, is for all of us who uphold these truths to discover the obligation and the privilege of standing together on these issues.

  17. Tekakaromatagi
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Canada signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and they are a member of the United Nations. Canadian government, you can't tell Catholics what they can and cannot teach.

  18. Jane
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The Catholic organizations need to do whatever they can to get this ridiculous law overturned. Canada is going to hell in a handbasket.

  19. dn
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Canada's catholic schools are publicly funded. What part of Canada is not the US do you guys not understand?

  20. G Maynerich
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Okay then... I wonder if it's against the law to say that Canada's govt is "intrinsically disordered"?

  21. Chairm
    Posted April 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    dn, they are Catholic schools. The government wants to impose anti-Catholic policy on Catholic schools. Which part of Catholic do you not understand?

  22. Randy E King
    Posted April 21, 2012 at 9:43 am | Permalink


    Canada is sparsley populated and is dependent upon private institutions for the education of its popluation. If the Canadian government wants to promote same-gender sexual intercourse in its public school system then it really should establish its own public school system as opposed to making unreasonable demands of those private institutions that do for the Canadian citizenry what the Canadian Government has not.

    "Government exists to serve its people; the people do not exist to serve government" Thomas Jefferson

  23. tony
    Posted April 21, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    you can contact this egg sucking dog here:

  24. Louis E.
    Posted April 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    That's the link to contact McGuinty,not Murray (who made the provocative statement).

  25. Posted April 23, 2012 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    There is now religious persecution in Canada. Americans amend your constitution to include the Marriage Amendment while there is still time. Your example can and will influence the course of Western Civilization.

    Posted April 26, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    NC Constitutional Amendment referendum is in progress right now. Send money if you can!

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