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Front Page of Flatbush Jewish Journal Claims Lew Fidler Supports Teaching SSM to Children in Schools

 

The battle of the Jewish newspapers continues the weekend before the New York special election to replace disgraced ex-Sen. Kruger.

Here is the front page of the Flatbush Jewish Journal, which goes out to over 100,000 people:

29 Comments

  1. Harold
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    This is a misleading blog post. In fact, what is featured here is NOT actually the front page of the Flatbush Jewish Journal but, rather, a SPECIAL ADVERTISING SECTION. So, then, that headline was not written by the editorial staff of the FJJ but, is in fact a paid political advertisement. That small type you folks basically cut off actually indicates this.

  2. gloria t schwartz
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    hmmmmmmmmmmm I always thought one of the lessons learned from the 6 million plus deaths of Jews in Nazi death camps was the importance of treating those unlike we- just as we would treat ourselves.
    Wait-I think that was already said, long ago, by someone standing on one foot. Maybe the Golden Rule isn't part of Mr. Storobin's campaign rhetoric.
    Perhaps the Constitutional "all men are created equal" would help? Oh, that's not applicable, either. Sounds like a little 'hate speech' to me, Mr. Storobin.

  3. Greogry
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    The Frank Schubert talking point. What a surprise. Once again, gays are portrayed as a threat to children. Shameful. Everyone knows that this group is financed by NOM. Perhaps NOM wrote this advertisement as it is right out of Proposition 8/Question 1.

    The predicate make no sense. How does one teach same-sex-marriage? Secondly, New York already has marriage equality. What is being taught in schools? More importantly, so what if children learn that gay people exist and are permitted to marry. What? Are they going to become gay? Seriously?

  4. dn
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    That line at the top that NOM cut in half says "special advertising supplement." More NOM intellectual dishonesty. Keep it up, winners.

  5. ResistSSA
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    @Greogry asks: "What? Are they going to become gay? Seriously?"

    Yes, many of them will experiment with homosexual acts, including oral sex and sodomy. Some will adopt the lifestyle, others will merely acquire deadly STDs associated with the lifestyle and pass it on to their opposite sex partners when they figure out that homosexuality is an empty, dead-end lifestyle.

    The literature from your favorite political action group, the APA, indicates that homosexuality is, at least in part, learned behavior with women more susceptible than men to adopt the lifestyle.

    Those faced with homosexuality disorder find it hard to believe that sexual orientation is learned behavior. That's unfortunate for them, because but for recent political thought that homosexuality should not be treated as the illness it is, many of them could be leading normal heterosexual lives today. Instead, they argue that they had no choice.

  6. Barb Chamberlan
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Yes, some impressionable young people will experiment with homosexual behavior, especially when they are encouraged, even told it's cool, to do so. For some it will be a phase. For others, it will be a trap.

  7. Greogry
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Barb- Resist:

    According to a large body of published and peer reviewed research, the children of gay parents are gay at about the same rate as the children of straight parents. Sexual orientation is not contagious.

    Furthermore, Resist, please provide a link to anything from the APA that suggests that sexual orientation is a learned behavior. Nonsense!

  8. jasco
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    The APA has found NO EVIDENCE that you, Greogry, or anyone suffering from SSA, was born that way. Therefore the 'orientation' is a learned behavior.

  9. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    jasco, I agree with you.

    Please give me a link to the APA finding, so that I can use it.

    Thanx.

  10. Michael C
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    heya, jasco

    "The APA has found NO EVIDENCE that you, Greogry, or anyone suffering from SSA, was born that way. Therefore the 'orientation' is a learned behavior."

    This is not an effective argument. It is like saying "There is no proof that God created the Universe, therefore Aliens created the universe." Your statement could easily be reversed by saying that orientation is innate because there is no proof that is learned. The absence of proof of one does not prove the other.

    The only way to prove that orientation is learned is to prove that orientation is learned.

  11. OrthodoxJew
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    To comment #1:
    I don't see the relevance of the Holocaust to this. Gays are not being portrayed as a threat to everyone. The homosexual lobby's redefinition of marriage, which will be forced on everyone despite what their traditions (and common sense) teach, is the issue here.

  12. Publius
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    "the children of gay parents are gay at about the same rate as the children of straight parents. "

    This seems to argue against the existence of the elusive gay gene.

  13. John Noe
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Poster # 8 used twisted logic and always tries to use the same old dirty homosexual tactics.

    The only way to prove that orientation is learned is to prove that orientation is learned

    The burden of proof is always on the group making the claim. They made the claim that they are born that way. Therefore the burdon of proof of the claim is upon them. Simply stating an idiotic comment like he did above does not mean they proved their case. Unable to prove their case they try to shift the burdon onto us.

  14. Randy E King
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

    "Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles"

    Translation: People become sexually aroused and peer pressure could lead a person to make bad choices.

  15. ResistSSA
    Posted March 19, 2012 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @Greogry -

    Oops, my bad. The credible scientific literature points to environmental factors as being part, if not all, of the cause of homosexuality.

    The APA, a political organization riddled with homosexuals, refuses to acknowledge the conclusions of the literature. It is not a scientific organization, so it was a mistake for me to cite them. And it is a mistake for anyone to rely on their conclusions as anything but politically biased drivel.

  16. Gregory Peterson
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Pay no attention to the fact that the "Front Page" isn't the real front page at all, but a paid advertising wrapper. The actual front page headline is about celebrating Purim in Flatbush.

    There are many Gay professionals in the APA; it's a large association. So,even a small percentage of the associates would be "many" Gay people. It would be a moral and professional obligation of the APA to call for the end of the dangerous "dirtying" of GLBT people (the word I think Toni Morrison used in "Beloved" about the psychological abuse of enslaved people). This is, of course, necessarily a political action to counter an immoral political movement that psychologically abuses people.

  17. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    ==The only way to prove that orientation is learned is to prove that orientation is learned.==

    The only way to prove that one is born homo is to prove that one is born homo.

  18. GZeus
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Why did NOM crop off the top part where it states that this is a paid advertisement supplement?

  19. Michael C
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Indeed, Mr. Incredible. Neither has been proven.

  20. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Well, it should be easier to prove genetics is involved, IF it is involved.

    It's clear that, if it isn't involved -- which is apparent -- then it must be choice.

    However, they argue that the absence of proof that genetics is involved is not proof that it isn't involved, that the default position is that it is involved just cuz there's no proof that it isn't. It's crazy talk.

  21. Michael C
    Posted March 20, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Mr Incredible,

    I think most gay people adhere to the "born this way" theory because they know their own experiences and they know the diversity of experiences of their fellow gay folk. They know that they've always felt a certain way, and that they were never indoctrinated or taught or traumatized or whatever else heterosexual people have told them explains their existence. Can we call these opinions proof of homosexuality being innate? Not if we hold science in any regards.

    On the flip side, anti-gay people cannot possibly allow themselves to think that it is remotely possible for a person to be born gay. If people were born gay then we would be forced to acknowledge that God not only allowed them to be gay, but actually MADE them gay. If God makes gays, how could we possibly discriminate against them?

    The only thing science actually does know is that there is no cure for homosexuality. People can change what they do, but they don't become straight.

  22. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    They think they know. How come the delivering doctor didn't know?

    Where is there ANY word in the Word of God that even hints that God made them homo? They say that King James was homo. If he was, then, surely, he would've included something about it. He didn't.

    Science has not determined that there is no cure. Howeve, we know that the choice to go homo is mutable.

    God Specially-Created Man to be heterosexual. That is clear in His Word. Then, some men and women chose to go homo. Now, they must try to justify that choice, and they are finding out that it's not that easy.

  23. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    That doesn't take away from the fact that those who claim to be homo chose to go homo.

  24. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    The default position is heterosexuality. It takes no effort to remain what God made you. It takes choice to go and make yourself what God didn't make you.

    For instance, the default position is not to rob banks. You must choose to rob banks. Robbing banks is not natural.

    On the other hand, those who claim to be homo look to the animals to say that homosexuality is normal cuz the animals do it.

    However, they also steal and murder. So, that must mean theft and murder are normal, too.

  25. TC Matthews
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Actions aren't immutable... by any stretch of the imagination. That's what separates man from animal-- the ability to choose what we'll do and how we'll be.

  26. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I gotta feeling to rob a bank. Based on my Moral center,I choose not to surrender to the temptation. The desire doesn't become a part of me. So, I don't rob the bank.

    Are the feelings natural? You can make the case that feelings coming from the sin nature are natural, and justify what you do by saying that what you do is natural cuz your feelings are natural.

    Feelings that are aroused by the sin nature are to be discarded, and the only way to do that is with the Lord's help [Matthew 4:1-11 KJV].

  27. Publius
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    If orientation means inclination or preference, the question is not whether thy are freely chosen. The question is what inclinations or preferences should be legally sanctioned. Mr. Incredible correctly points out that some people prefer to rob banks for a living. One could argue from history as well as from religion that it is a natural inclination. Those who believe banks are evil could even argue that robbing banks is a justifiable act, after the fashion of Robin Hood.

  28. Michael C
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    One could not argue that the law is on the side of the bank robber.

    If you feel that a person accepting his or her orientation and finding peace, love and happiness within their parameters akin to bank robbery, I am not going to argue.

    If you feel that homosexuality should be illegal, work to make it illegal.

  29. Mr. Incredible
    Posted March 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    The thought processes can be compared.