Fred Karger typifies the extremist gay marriage activist who pushes for gay marriage by demonizing and attacking pro-marriage supporters (including NOM and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). His most recent stunt, launching a website targeting Mormons for hate, is earning him condemnation from op-ed writers across the country, as it should.
Karin Klein of the Los Angeles Times Opinion Staff:
Funny that Fred Karger, gay rights advocate, founded the group Californians Against Hate, since his most recent campaign seems to be about spreading bigotry.
Negative campaigns and ugly smears might be the stuff of politics these days, but within this category, Karger gets a special space all his own after launching an attack website against Mormonism that purportedly reveals the 10 "craziest beliefs" of Mormons, lest voters consider voting for Mormon candidate Mitt Romney. The site doesn't actually have such a list; it's more a place where anyone can anonymously post any sort of canard about Mormonism. Perhaps rational people could also try inserting some truths, if those are actually allowed.
The blogger "Piranhamous" for the Fishbowl DC political blog:
Karger’s hatred of Mormons seems to stem from his “organization Californians Against Hate (now Rights Equal Rights) to investigate the LDS Church and the National Organization for Marriage in their campaigns against marriage equality in California and Maine.” So it’s not political, it’s personal.
Unfortunately for Fred, his Facebook announcement of his new website seems to have cost him quite a few potential voters, and it didn’t have any to spare.
All comments, with one exception, were negative with the most common word used being “shame.” One poster wrote, “Run on your platform and stop slamming the Mormons.” But then again, when you create a website like Fred did, slamming Mormons seems to be his platform.
File this under “stupid” and try to forget you ever heard the name Fred Karger. It shouldn’t be too hard to do.
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Just like African-Americans are guilty of vicious anti-KKK bigotry.
If legalizing SS"M" erases the clear moral distinction between family values and racism to that extent, Bob, then that's all the more reason to oppose it.
FURTHER PROOF THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE INTOLERANT- ANTI-FAITH BIGOTS AND TH TRUE PEOPLE HATE AND PERVERSITY.
Christianity preaches compassion and empathy for homosexuals and this is what it gets in return. Why? Because it asks homosexual to resist participating in sodomy. That's it.
Homosexual advocates are waging battle against Christianity based on a lie. What's puzzling is the Christian religions' relative silence in exposing the lie.
Even many Christians are unaware that this is a fight over sodomy, not homosexuals, per se. As long as the Christian religions take this abuse and do not push back, the homosexual advocates will gain ground, even turning many Christians against their own religion.
We have to stop letting the homosexual advocates frame the issues without pushing back against their lies.
Well said, Son of Adam.
Total nonsense, SOA. More proof that the anti-gay doesn't have a single logical argument in its bag of tricks.
Then tell me, Bob, what does family values have in common with racism? Besides, I don't hear anyone comparing seperate men's and women's bathrooms or seperate men's and women's sports teams to racial segregation. Why is that if recognizing gender differences and racism is the exact same thing?
Bobby,all logic is on the "anti-gay" side,since the whole concept of "being gay" is irrational.There are no valid justifications for same-sex sexual activity and no predilection for it is of any relevance!
homosexual advocacy has always preached hatred and use violence against people of good-will. If it could it would make Christianity and free speech illegal. Keep in mind some advocates are militant and are domestic terriost.
Lets get real. Not everyone who is gay is intolerant only the ad vocates of ssm.
Of course what will happen is that it will push folks, who might not otherwise, vote FOR an anti-ssm candidate.
Davide, thanks for providing a completely illogical, baseless comment to prove Louis' comment (directly above yours) wrong. You guts make it too easy.
Difference between KKK and Mormons? Mormons have a history of fighting for Gay Rights but drawing the line at marriage, KKK fought against all civil rights VIOLENTLY. Mormons have fought and passed equal housing, employment, and protections against bullying and hurt. And even though they have consistently said it was a sin to engage in homosexual sex, they have never advocated violence against gays and condemned it.
Another difference? There were many Mormons who didn't agree with Prop8 or who don't agree with not allowing gay marriage, and who vote for gay marriage. They are still members of the church without any issue.
Does he think he's the only one who has special acccess to his brand of moral truths ?
Fred Karger is a republican running for president....the man isn't even polling less than a % of support. He's so low he's not even on the scale. It must suck doing worse than Gary Johnson.
I'm a "Mormon" (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and I fully support "gay" people getting married. If a man who self-identifies as gay wants to marry a consenting woman of either sexual orientation, and they're both willing to give 100% to the marriage, including monogamy, then I am all for it.
Cara: That's simply not true. The LDS church views being gay as a mental illness, gay LDS youth are routinely ostrasized from their family and community and often forced into so-called reparative therapy against their will and subjected to cruel and dangerous treatments such as shock therapy (that's violence, Cara).
Some interesting reading for you if you still believe that the civil rights of LGBT people has ever been a priority of Mormons: http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=13240700
Bobby,secure access to reparative therapy should be seen as among the "civil rights of LGBT people".It doesn't have to be cruel or dangerous,but deserved ostracism for indulging same-sex attraction and vigorous affirmation that such attraction is disordered are the first thing "LGBT people" need,even if among the last things they want.
Many people have overcome their same sex attraction through programs that the church has historically provided out of love and concern for those wanting to live according to Gods plan. They are now living happy and healthy lives with biological offspring enjoying all the entitlements and blessings of an eternal marriage.
And the Holocaust was loving treatment of Jews. The Nazis were just saving them from the oppression they'd experience had they been forced to live out their lives as Jews. Oh those perpetually misunderstood, gentle loving Nazis.
No,Bobby,the Nazis were killing the Jews,not trying to persuade them out of any errors by which they rashly defined themselves.
Bobby's false Nazi and KKK analogies are merely an expression of his hatred and intolerance against those who don't think like him. If anything, they only help strengthen opposition to SS"M".
There is nothing wrong with helping people make better lifestyle choices. We are better off as a society when we do.
For accurate information regarding LDS Church policy focused on same-sex attraction and/or homosexual behavior, please enjoy the following:
http://newsroom.lds.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction
As in any large, international Church body, there will be individual cases of tragedy, as well as success, when handling social issues, especially where moral conduct butts heads with mortal temptation, but one must look to official policy, and not individual example, when judging the official doctrines of an entire religion. The charitable and fair-minded will do so.
Excellent reference, living one's life according to gospel principles can indeed help overcome SSA temptations.
Not all studies done at BYU are church-approved. It's a school of 30,000 students. As a Mormon, I participated in research that was never approved by any ecclesiastical leader.
By the way there are many good people of conscience who oppose SSM who are not Mormons. There are Christians of all faiths as well as non Christians who are opposed to SSM.
Good Lord! If this is true (and considering that the source is known for dishonesty and misrepresentation), than he's acting just like NOM!
Considering that it's NOM's behavior that I dislike about y'all, I will no have to stop listening to this... er, one single guy who is not actually a national organization and that I never had any previous interest in anyway.
I like how you claim your opponents are bad by pointing out ways that they're similar to yourself... technically I'm convinced but...