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	<title>Comments on: Gingrich Signs NOM Marriage Pledge, Ron Paul Only Holdout, NOM Marriage News, December 15, 2011</title>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79695</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am being too kind, ResistSSA :) Great point about the control group of straight men; because if their health improved too, we can&#039;t say it was because they were now elevated from the status of &quot;second class citizens.&quot;

I agree that it&#039;s totally political. I doubt if that will stop SSMers from touting this study like they do the flawed same-sex parenting studies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am being too kind, ResistSSA <img src='http://cdn.nomblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great point about the control group of straight men; because if their health improved too, we can't say it was because they were now elevated from the status of "second class citizens."</p>
<p>I agree that it's totally political. I doubt if that will stop SSMers from touting this study like they do the flawed same-sex parenting studies.</p>
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		<title>By: AM</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79527</link>
		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the article:
&quot;In the 12 months following the 2003 legalization of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, gay and bisexual men had a significant decrease in medical care visits, mental healthcare visits, and mental healthcare costs, compared with the 12 months before the law change.&quot;
http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/same-sex-marriage-laws-reduce-doctor-visits-and-health-care-costs-gay-men

So they compared the year before the passage of smm to the year after it passed.
And somehow we are supposed to believe this is anything other than the short lived euphoria that  occurs when one side wins a contentious debate.

As ResistSSA says:
&quot;This is all politics; biased studies designed to sway public opinion, nothing more.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article:<br />
"In the 12 months following the 2003 legalization of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, gay and bisexual men had a significant decrease in medical care visits, mental healthcare visits, and mental healthcare costs, compared with the 12 months before the law change."<br />
<a href="http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/same-sex-marriage-laws-reduce-doctor-visits-and-health-care-costs-gay-men" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/same-sex-marriage-laws-reduce-doctor-visits-and-health-care-costs-gay-men</a></p>
<p>So they compared the year before the passage of smm to the year after it passed.<br />
And somehow we are supposed to believe this is anything other than the short lived euphoria that  occurs when one side wins a contentious debate.</p>
<p>As ResistSSA says:<br />
"This is all politics; biased studies designed to sway public opinion, nothing more."</p>
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		<title>By: maggie gallagher</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79475</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps this has more to do with Romney care shifting these guys away from separate clinics and into the main health care system?

Do population based mental health studies show anything similar?

Number of visits to a health clinic is not a very good proxy for health, because so many factors (ncluding changes in the health care delivery system) could explain..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this has more to do with Romney care shifting these guys away from separate clinics and into the main health care system?</p>
<p>Do population based mental health studies show anything similar?</p>
<p>Number of visits to a health clinic is not a very good proxy for health, because so many factors (ncluding changes in the health care delivery system) could explain..</p>
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		<title>By: ResistSSA</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79459</link>
		<dc:creator>ResistSSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ash, you&#039;re being far too kind.  Where&#039;s the control group of straight people for the study?  There is none.  Was the study blinded?  We don&#039;t know.

Recall the study on lesbian couples&#039; adopted children where the lesbian researcher hand-picked a study group of fairly affluent women and collected &quot;data&quot; about how they parents perceived their adopted children to be doing.  This is all politics; biased studies designed to sway public opinion, nothing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ash, you're being far too kind.  Where's the control group of straight people for the study?  There is none.  Was the study blinded?  We don't know.</p>
<p>Recall the study on lesbian couples' adopted children where the lesbian researcher hand-picked a study group of fairly affluent women and collected "data" about how they parents perceived their adopted children to be doing.  This is all politics; biased studies designed to sway public opinion, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79449</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will, marriage is not fundamentally concerned with reducing health problems. If this is the goal, marriage as we know it, with all of its norms, makes no sense. 

I must add that I&#039;m concerned about the work of these researchers. I don&#039;t think the creature known as &quot;researcher without a worldview&quot; exists. But let&#039;s just say that I&#039;m skeptical of a study wherein which the researcher says that gay men are suffering health problems that result from being treated as &quot;second class citizens.&quot; That’s a flagrant bias, and I wonder if it has played out in the research (the same-sex parenting studies come to mind). 

I’m sure there are many things gays want, and it can be asserted that if society grants those things, it will result in improved health, a boon to the economy, or what have you. This is a way for gays, and other special interest groups, to try fabricate a state-interest in, well, their personal interests. 

Whether the research is valid or not, it’s all a matter of what is the appropriate government intervention. If gays, or any other group, need mental and physical health interventions, the redefining of marriage is not the appropriate response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, marriage is not fundamentally concerned with reducing health problems. If this is the goal, marriage as we know it, with all of its norms, makes no sense. </p>
<p>I must add that I'm concerned about the work of these researchers. I don't think the creature known as "researcher without a worldview" exists. But let's just say that I'm skeptical of a study wherein which the researcher says that gay men are suffering health problems that result from being treated as "second class citizens." That’s a flagrant bias, and I wonder if it has played out in the research (the same-sex parenting studies come to mind). </p>
<p>I’m sure there are many things gays want, and it can be asserted that if society grants those things, it will result in improved health, a boon to the economy, or what have you. This is a way for gays, and other special interest groups, to try fabricate a state-interest in, well, their personal interests. </p>
<p>Whether the research is valid or not, it’s all a matter of what is the appropriate government intervention. If gays, or any other group, need mental and physical health interventions, the redefining of marriage is not the appropriate response.</p>
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		<title>By: ResistSSA</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79448</link>
		<dc:creator>ResistSSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, homosexual researcher generates positive data about the legalization of marriage for homosexuals.  Fascinating.  

Next you&#039;ll tell me that a homosexual judge with a partner held that homosexuals with partners have a constitutional right to get married.

Will wonders never cease?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, homosexual researcher generates positive data about the legalization of marriage for homosexuals.  Fascinating.  </p>
<p>Next you'll tell me that a homosexual judge with a partner held that homosexuals with partners have a constitutional right to get married.</p>
<p>Will wonders never cease?</p>
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		<title>By: Louis E.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79437</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will Fisher,allowing the perpetrators of same-sex sexual relationships to escape the ostracism their obscene self-indulgence deserves may please them,but it&#039;s bad for humanity as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Fisher,allowing the perpetrators of same-sex sexual relationships to escape the ostracism their obscene self-indulgence deserves may please them,but it's bad for humanity as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Son of Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79429</link>
		<dc:creator>Son of Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If SS&quot;M&quot; is so great for the health of homosexuals, why is it that since it became legal in Massachusetts, the rates of HIV / AIDS have considerably risen. Public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has also risen by $500,000. As the homosexual lobby group MassEquality wrote to their supporters after successfully persuading the Legislature to spend that money: &quot;With the rate of HIV infections rising dramatically in Massachusetts, it&#039;s clear the fight against AIDS is far from over.&quot;

That article is just more left wing media indoctrination and misinformation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If SS"M" is so great for the health of homosexuals, why is it that since it became legal in Massachusetts, the rates of HIV / AIDS have considerably risen. Public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has also risen by $500,000. As the homosexual lobby group MassEquality wrote to their supporters after successfully persuading the Legislature to spend that money: "With the rate of HIV infections rising dramatically in Massachusetts, it's clear the fight against AIDS is far from over."</p>
<p>That article is just more left wing media indoctrination and misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79419</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New out the uk, re: SSM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16203621

Whatchathink?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New out the uk, re: SSM</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16203621" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16203621</a></p>
<p>Whatchathink?</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis, Brian. I knew something wasn&#039;t right about Paul&#039;s claim that state involvement in marriage is only 100 years old.
 
As noted by Little man, he seems to believe that the government has absolutely no interest in marriage, an idea which is fundamentally false. He seems not to understand that, without marriage, the government has to get bigger and intervene in the lives of more people. 

Paul pretty much has the same desire of many extreme ssm activists who favor abolishing the legal category of marriage. The only difference between Paul and that group is that Paul does not necessarily hate the institution of marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, Brian. I knew something wasn't right about Paul's claim that state involvement in marriage is only 100 years old.</p>
<p>As noted by Little man, he seems to believe that the government has absolutely no interest in marriage, an idea which is fundamentally false. He seems not to understand that, without marriage, the government has to get bigger and intervene in the lives of more people. </p>
<p>Paul pretty much has the same desire of many extreme ssm activists who favor abolishing the legal category of marriage. The only difference between Paul and that group is that Paul does not necessarily hate the institution of marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Little man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Ron Paul really believe we should not elect a US President, or Congress, and go back to just having judges, like in the Book of Judges? Yes, the Israelites would have been better off, but we are already a democracy, which is better than the kingship they wanted. I am sure Ron Paul was using the Book of Judges as an example for less government. But,... how much less? The 10 commandments and a couple of judges? Who would pick the judges in the USA? Back to Theocracy? We are not a Jewish nation. We would all like to have a less complicated government, but we forget that we have a complicated world already, and that is not going away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Ron Paul really believe we should not elect a US President, or Congress, and go back to just having judges, like in the Book of Judges? Yes, the Israelites would have been better off, but we are already a democracy, which is better than the kingship they wanted. I am sure Ron Paul was using the Book of Judges as an example for less government. But,... how much less? The 10 commandments and a couple of judges? Who would pick the judges in the USA? Back to Theocracy? We are not a Jewish nation. We would all like to have a less complicated government, but we forget that we have a complicated world already, and that is not going away.</p>
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		<title>By: Little man</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79404</link>
		<dc:creator>Little man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Paul believes in Freedom. What he does not understand is that the freedom of one person can affect the freedom of others. If marriage is not regulated, children suffer or have less opportunity (yes, the same minors who Ron Paul sees are not having fully developed judgement). If we don&#039;t regulate alcoholics who drive in an intoxicated state, others who are innocent could end up dead. In fact that&#039;s a major cause of death, and it kills young and old. Ron Paul is simply senile, and cannot see the consequences of a totally free society. Sounds like an utopia, but it is only in his imagination. I&#039;m through with him. Next!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul believes in Freedom. What he does not understand is that the freedom of one person can affect the freedom of others. If marriage is not regulated, children suffer or have less opportunity (yes, the same minors who Ron Paul sees are not having fully developed judgement). If we don't regulate alcoholics who drive in an intoxicated state, others who are innocent could end up dead. In fact that's a major cause of death, and it kills young and old. Ron Paul is simply senile, and cannot see the consequences of a totally free society. Sounds like an utopia, but it is only in his imagination. I'm through with him. Next!</p>
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		<title>By: Little man</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79403</link>
		<dc:creator>Little man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zack: Can you show that marriage belongs ONLY to the church? That would mean government has not enough Public Interest in opposite-sex civil marriage. Actually, i believe marriage is a sacred set of vows, before God. One doesnt&#039; even need a church. What church did &#039;Adam and Eve&#039; attend? But, government has a Public Interest in marriage, and that is in addition to the respect the church and religions have for marriage. Some religions even prescribe who one is to marry (ouch). It behooves governments (State and Federal) to support marriage much more than they are doing. The governments are doing a lousy job and that is part of the reason so many people divorce. The children then lack one parent, etc., etc., etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack: Can you show that marriage belongs ONLY to the church? That would mean government has not enough Public Interest in opposite-sex civil marriage. Actually, i believe marriage is a sacred set of vows, before God. One doesnt' even need a church. What church did 'Adam and Eve' attend? But, government has a Public Interest in marriage, and that is in addition to the respect the church and religions have for marriage. Some religions even prescribe who one is to marry (ouch). It behooves governments (State and Federal) to support marriage much more than they are doing. The governments are doing a lousy job and that is part of the reason so many people divorce. The children then lack one parent, etc., etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis E.</title>
		<link>http://www.nomblog.com/16797/comment-page-1#comment-79392</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 04:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again,I wish Brian would avoid the term &quot;gay marriage&quot;,as it gives the appearance of conceding the SSM advocates&#039; claim that persons identifying as &quot;gay&quot; has any bearing on what marriage is and whether they can do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again,I wish Brian would avoid the term "gay marriage",as it gives the appearance of conceding the SSM advocates' claim that persons identifying as "gay" has any bearing on what marriage is and whether they can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron Paul doesn&#039;t support the legal recognition of marriage. He wants it returned to the church where it belongs. 

That doesn&#039;t mean I support him, but that&#039;s basically what he believes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul doesn't support the legal recognition of marriage. He wants it returned to the church where it belongs. </p>
<p>That doesn't mean I support him, but that's basically what he believes.</p>
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