Posted December 9, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

Katelyn,the main misrepresentation at hand is the claim that "equality for all human beings" is remotely at issue.There is no equality between all human actions,and the overwhelmingly greater importance to humankind of opposite-sex over same-sex sexual relationships is so clear that insisting it be treated as open to debate ought to be regarded as a psychological disorder.And telling it like it is is not "hatred" toward the delusional.

Louis wanted to repost your post @ 29 because I tried to post a similar blog but it never fltered through NOM's systems. Anyway GREATE POST!

I like this post because it gets to the heart of the problem-the other side wants to have a rational debate about SSM or same sex relationships when there is no logical purpose for the behavior that has been labeled as a psychological dysfunction.
It like " Jerry Sandusky" tilling his victims he did not sexually child-molested them, even though he did shower with his under age victims... or that he is not a homosexual in his mine of what is logical and rational, yet he's being accused of have several inappropriate sexual encounters with young boys over a 13 year span...

Why?

I'm afraid you're mixing apples and oranges. Teaching love and acceptance of an individuals worth is not intrinsically tied to neutering marriage. We don't allow same-sex siblings to marry, and we don't call that hate, or a homophobia, and we don't consider it depriving anyone of rights. Again, the issue isn't about sexual orientation, it's about sex.

If two homosexual males want to "marry" each other, do we accuse them of hating women, and wanting to deprive women of their "rights?" I'm sure you'd object to that argument.

Bruce said, "And when your children with both a mom and a dad absorb your prejudices, they find it OK to bully children who are different from themselves, relentlessly, and not infrequently, to suicide."

That's a pretty sweeping generality to make. Have you been in the homes of every family headed by a mom and a dad and documented what they teach their children? Are you prepared to accept the consequences of bearing false witness against many of your neighbors?

I can speak for my home, in that my husband and I have very frank discussions with out children as to how to treat their friends and aquaintences whose families don't look like ours; we are careful to stress kindness at all times, and charity for all. We don't allow name-calling or putdowns, and we stress the need for them to stand up for the underdog, and how even a smile can lighten the burden of those whose peers may be bullying them.

Bruce said, "You lose dignity and respect due to bigotry. But then again Christians fought the same battles against blacks and women using the same arguments, and very much to their historical shame.

You lose dignity and respect when you use straw man arguments to put down those who wish to preserve marriage between a man and a woman, and the blessing that that arrangement is to all of society. Only marriage between a man and a woman protects a woman in her childbearing. As for race, NOM has made it perfectly clear it respects the dignity of people of all degrees of pigmentation throughout the entire world to enter into marriage. The United States of America is the most giving and generous country in the ENTIRE WORLD and it is because of the vast community of charitable Christians that this nation gives to the degree that it does.

Bruce said, "How about embracing tolerance diversity and friendship instead?"

The U.S.A. is the most tolerant and diverse country of any in the world, and we do it without having to coerce and compel such attributes. IF it were not so, we wouldn't have the millions streaming or attempting to stream into our country, every year.

Bruce said, "And marriage can be between any two people who love one another."

Well, not it can't, because marriage, even in Canada, is still not recognized between loving siblings, or loving parents and kids. And that's not due to any kind of homophobia.

Please, Bruce, stick to the facts. Honesty is still a virtue, and a commandment, even in the great white north. And Merry Christmas to you, too.

I hope the Iowa senate gives their constituents the right to vote on this issue and this debate can finally be put to rest.

Once again an organization trying to stop equality for all human beings has used FALSE SCIENCE in order to spread their hatred and brainwash the public.

That's the goal! Perhaps not for the average gay person, but definitely for the ssm elite in academia. They jump through hoops to argue why we should adopt ssm, and then fantasize about abolishing state-recognition of marriage.

Merry Christmas from The USA.

America is not so much a Christian society after all, just in name only.

You could real Christians however, the kind that do not judge others and proselytise and find yourself better than those who are different or less fortunate. You could actually help the sick and the poor, and have proper health care instead of the globe's predominant military machine.

You lose dignity and respect due to bigotry. But then again Christians fought the same battles against blacks and women using the same arguments, and very much to their historical shame.

How about embracing tolerance diversity and friendship instead?

And marriage can be between any two people who love one another. Zach, who addressed the Iowa legislature is a wonderful guy and you can hardly believe how well he has been raised.

It is sad for the whole world when hearts and minds are smugly closed to the "other" We have moved past a lot of this stuff in the great white north, although there is still homophobic and other forms of bullying to be tackled.

Merry Christmas anyhow from a Canadian.

Nope. The only individuals to take responsibility for that are the individuals involved in the relationship in the first place. Placing the blame on someone else is a total cop out. But, for the record, what kind of examples are adult members who self-identify as gay, setting for the youth?

"Stop telling gay kids that their relationships are worthless and doomed to fail and that there's nothing for them but casual meaningless sex and maybe they'll take their relationships more seriously." Again, what kind of example are adult gays setting for the youth? How has your assertion panned out in countries that have legalized SSM for the last few decades?

And really, gay relationships, on average, don't last as long as straight ones.... Well gee, maybe if you stopped TRYING TO CAUSE THAT PROBLEM, than it wouldn't exist as much? Stop telling gay kids that their relationships are worthless and doomed to fail and that there's nothing for them but casual meaningless sex and maybe they'll take their relationships more seriously.
Of course, the only actual statistic I've seen to that effect compared married straight couples to any and all gay couples, including those merely casually dating, so I'm not sure the statistic actually exists.
Now, I'm actually pretty sure that it's true even if it's not recorded, but the reason why is not difficult to realize.

Men, what say you?

Maybe the couple did just want kids. But the interracial couple can produce children in the natural order and the homosexual couple is sterile by design. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

We're not supposed to get everything we want. Especially when it involves taking something away from someone else - like their parent.

So what's left of marriage is a commitment between two people to stay together for as long as they feel like it so they can get government benefits. What's the government interest in marriage when it is defined this way? At that point, might as well just do away with marriage all together.

I was struck by that part of his speech where he says that he and his sister are "full siblings." Yes, I'm shocked about the flip manner in which he refers to the other half of his genetic origin (i.e. the "sperm donor"). But I'm also intrigued by the nature of full/half siblings in same-sex families. I guess that unless one partner of the relationship chooses to forego producing any biological offspring, the brood same-sex couples raise will not be full-siblings. I know this is a simple fact, but it's amazing how many things are taken for granted in the natural family; when a man and woman reproduce with each other in life-long marriage, all children are fully related to each other, and to both adults.

It's interesting that this video is going viral at a time when another video has gone viral: the one where a lesbian woman used her little boy as a political tool to attack Michele Bachmann. If there was any benefit of the Wahls video for the public perception of same-sex couples raising children, the Bachmann video has nullified it. Not a good look...

Marriage between a man and a woman really separates the men from the boys. A boy (no matter how old) who plays with sex like a toy, who refuses to be a father to his own children and a devoted husband to the woman who sacrifices her own body to birth his child, is little better than a Peter Pan playing with his lost boys. Imagine if our whole society accepted the irresponsibility of males as a given. We have enough of boys living in the NeverNever Land of the "me" society. We need real men who are willing to grow up, get married to a good woman, and make homes for their children. Shame on the silly women who let these boys get away with their arrogance and selfishness!

You could say interracial couples "deliberately expose kids to potential humiliation in order to justify their lifestyle." But it would be a nasty and presumptuous thing to say. In both cases, maybe the couple just wanted kids, the same as everyone else. Maybe they consider discrimination to be just a fact of life, one more challenge to overcome. And maybe they're unwilling to let society's prejudices dictate the course of their lives.

Where the original article says, "Statistics say otherwise" - statistics exist that would support either side of this argument. Cherry-picking the ones that support your agenda, and pretending the others don't exist, isn't an honest or fair way to debate it.

This kind of uncharitable judgment is what turns people off so badly. Are we trying to convert or condemn here?

One thing he said was interesting to me: that his sister shares the same anonymous sperm donor so they are full siblings, not just half-siblings. Which he thinks is "really cool".

He doesn't say whether or not he or his sister thinks it's "really cool" that half of the kinship they both share came from a man named "anonymous", and why they can't just call him Dad.