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FRC Video: "The Problem with Same-Sex Marriage"

 

Via the Manhattan Declaration blog:

"A recent documentary (in conjunction with the Family Research Council) brings to light some of the repercussions that have already begun to arise as a result of the adoption of same-sex marriage."

50 Comments

  1. Grace
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I see your video and raise you this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ&feature=player_embedded

    I believe it to be far more powerful than the blatent scaremongering in this 'documentary'.

  2. Barb Chamberlan
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Like most girls in middle school, I had a best girl friend and I loved her. Did that make me lesbian? No, it just made me a typical girl. An insidious part of the gay agenda is to confuse and conflict children.

  3. Ash
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    I absolutely have to see this! I love the comparison Vickie Hartzler makes between Obama defending his healthcare bill as opposed to DOMA. I'm also pleasantly surprised to see that NARTH got a spot in this video!

  4. Clark
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    I flagged this video as inappropriate on YouTube. The homophobia in this video is on par with any similar anti-Semitic or racist video. Sorry, guys. This stuff doesn't fly anymore.

  5. M. Jones
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Homosexuals instructing our young on how to have sex in booklets handed out in Mass. public schools. They won't stop at marriage, they won't stop until society becomes turns into an ancient Roman orgy.

  6. Davide
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    @Grace, when I first heard about Zack story I was happy for him considering he was raised by two lesbians and never knew his father. Even his conception was un-natual also raised in a un-natual enviroment. He does seem to have turned out okay. His case is unlike most kids in the same circumstances. Very few gay relationships last long enough for a 'marriage' to take place. The gay community does not take relionships seriously enough for committment. Also keep in mind nearly 30 percent of children raised by homosexual couples are molested. 29 percent compared to .06 percent of children raised by straight couples. This is from the Journal of adolescence. If my math is correct, for every ONE (1) child molested in a straight household, FIFTY (50) kids are molested in homosexual households

  7. Davide
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    *Un-natural

  8. Alan
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    @Grace, It's not blatant scare-mongering, it's truth. It may be hard to accept, you may not want to believe it, but it is the truth.

  9. Anne
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Grace, the women Zach calls "mom", used him as a social science experiment to justify thier lifestyle. Mothers protect their young. They don't deliberately expose them to humiliation and ridicule in order to use them as validation. One day Zach may wake up to what actually happened and develope a different perspective.

  10. Spunky
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    @Davide

    Also keep in mind nearly 30 percent of children raised by homosexual couples are molested. 29 percent compared to .06 percent of children raised by straight couples. This is from the Journal of adolescence. If my math is correct, for every ONE (1) child molested in a straight household, FIFTY (50) kids are molested in homosexual households

    This statistic is false. To quote Dr. Gregory Herek,

    Cameron's claims hinge on the fallacious assumption that all male-male molestations are committed by homosexuals. Moreover, a careful reading of Cameron's paper reveals several false statements about the literature he claimed to have reviewed.

    Dr. Herek does a more thorough analysis of all the flaws in Dr. Cameron's survey here.

    In fact, all other studies conclude that gays are no more likely to molest children than straight people. It may seem counter-intuitive, but it is true. Herek's website and Box Turtle Bulletin detail this phenomenon.

    Whatever your objections are to gay parenting, fear of child molestation should not be one of them.

  11. Posted December 5, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    "Also keep in mind nearly 30 percent of children raised by homosexual couples are molested. 29 percent compared to .06 percent of children raised by straight couples. This is from the Journal of adolescence."

    @Davide, please provide a citation for the study.

  12. John Noe
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    The homosexuals cannot refute the message in the video so as always they seek censership as they demand that Youtube remove it under the guise as being inappropiate.

  13. Daughter of Eve
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    The main problem with SSM is it severs the natural ties between marriage and responsible procreation. Children have the right to be raised by a married mom and dad who honor their marriage vows with complete fidelity. Two women or two men cannot replace the absent opposite-sexed parental role model in the life of a child. Who better to teach a growing boy how to be a responsible husband and father than his own dad, and who better to teach a girl how to be a responsible wife and mother than her own mom? If the parents cannot do the job, then a married man and woman who are willing to adopt will make the best possible substitutes.

    SSM also causes conflicts in free speech and freedom of religious expression.

  14. leo
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    @ DOE there are several rpoblem with SSM and homosexuality, just read all the past and present articles here on the subject,,,

    @ Spunky, there you go again provided us with funny research about the connection with child molestation and homosexuality...
    For the 100th time, boy molestation are caused by men who are either gay for by-gay who participates in homosexuality, who are more like to engage in the illegal act than staight men. there are more reports of men molesting boys by a 3-4 mergin, period.

  15. j. fox
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    We just need to look to Penn State and Syracuse University to see the harm's homosexuals are perpetuating on society.

  16. Anne
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    The book "Good Bye Good Men" details a series of personal accounts of Catholic seminary applicants who were denied entrance to the seminaries during the 1960's & 1970's because they were too "rigid" in their perspectives on homosexuality. The homosexual agenda was taken to the Church through the seminaries and that is the source of the priest pedophelia scandal. It's not a coincidence. Uninhibited sexual behavior has no bounds.

  17. wister
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    It's spelled 'Declaration.' Fools.

  18. Jaymax
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    @leo. Your information is incorrect. Heterosexual men DO molest boys. All the research supports this. Look up regressed pedophiles and fixated pedophiles. Look up all the studies by Kurt Freund, A. Nicholas Groth for example. Groth's work is used as by the FBI and other criminal justice agencies to profile sex-offenders.

  19. Louis E.
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Anne,I'm not Catholic,but I think you'd have to look to Randy Engel's The Rite of Sodomy to understand how men minded to reject sincere opponents of homosexual activity from positions of teaching against it were in a position to do so by the 1960s.

  20. Davide
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    another goog book on the homosexual abuse scandal is 'Sacriledge' by Leon Poddles. I have read all three books we are discussing here.

  21. Spunky
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    I love that in all my posts about this subject, no one has ever found any flaws with the research I cite, and I find countless flaws with everyone else's sources, and yet people continue to be rigid in their beliefs based on nothing. This is by definition bigotry.

  22. Nanette
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    What BS! If a man is straight and a molester, they will molest a girl. If they are gay OR bi, they molest boys. Even if they are married to a woman- it means they are BI. Don't really care if anyone sites studies that say differently. Use your head- why would a straight guy molest a boy? They have to have gay tendencies in the first place.

  23. Anne
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Spunky, you "find" what you choose to see. Your citations are hardly unflawed and your perspective is hardly objective.

    I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why naked, gyrating, gay men marching down the streets of our cities with a six foot green penis in front of children is not considered pedophelia. And why it is appropriate for the most "distinguished" of our governmental officials to join the "celebration".

  24. Grace
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    You people are sick. I think I'll give up on trying to understand or reason with you. You claim to be persecuted for your beliefs. You make yourselves out to be the victims in this situation. And on the same site, you try to link pedophilia to LGBT people. Pedophilia has its own tag on this blog. Presidential candidates liken gay sex to bestiality, and commenters here compare LGBT people to alcoholics and murderers. I didn't come here with the intention of calling you bigots, and maybe being opposed to marriage equality doesn't make you a bigot. But the hateful things you say certainly do.

  25. Davide
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    spunk man we are chosing to ignore you. Sticks and stones

  26. Anne
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Grace, I'd love to hear your answer to the question I asked Spunky. If our society is so twisted that people who see beauty in the natrural family are "sick" but the "Gay Pride Parade" isn't, then by all means, call me crazy. In fact, lock me up and throw away the key. I don't want to be "cured".

    Could you be specific about the "hateful things" you've seen posted here?

  27. Spunky
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @ Anne

    I'll answer your gay pride question now. While I believe that certain public expressions of sexuality are inappropriate for children to see (and may even disturb them in some ways), they do not fit the definition of pedophilia. According to Dr. Herek,

    Pedophilia usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners; this preference may or may not be acted upon.
    ...
    Whereas pedophilia and hebephilia refer to psychological propensities, child molestation and child sexual abuse are used to describe actual sexual contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent. In this context, the latter individual is referred to as a child, even though he or she may be a teenager.

    We're not talking about pedophilia since these people don't have an attraction toward children. It's not molestation either, since there is no sexual contact between these people and children. The actions you describe literally do not fit the definitions of pedophilia or molestation. While you could claim that public nudity is child abuse, I'd refer to it as public indecency. You can't refer to all inappropriate public action as child abuse. No one calls public drunkenness child abuse even though it could hurt children.

    Also, no matter how sickening and harmful people may find public nudity, I don't think anyone's comparing it to molesting or raping a child.

    On another note Anne, you previously said that you agreed that there exists no credible scientific evidence that homosexuality causes pedophilia. Yet now you're claiming my sources are flawed. Please be more specific.

  28. Louis E.
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Spunky,standards of conduct are not bigotry.

  29. Daughter of Eve
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Grace said, "maybe being opposed to marriage equality doesn't make you a bigot"

    I think it would be more accurate to state that NOM supports marriage equality, whereby all citizens are treated equally without regards to sexual orientation. Marriage is, after all, organized on the basis of sex, and not sexual orientation. An opposite-sexed union is not the same as a sex-segretated union, and the two merit distinct nomenclature. Neutering marriage has far-reaching effects for all citizens, not just same-sexed unions.

  30. Little man
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Somehow, i knew there would be lots of comments under this video :)

  31. Little man
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Clark: Anyone can flag a video as inappropriate on Youtube. So what? All of us do lots of inappropriate things every day (like politically incorrect things.) Please, don't flag us... please.

  32. Little man
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Skunky: You don't see flaws in your arguments? Since when does anyone see flaws in one's arguments? If we saw a flaw, it wouldn't be our argument from there on. Oh, so you see flaws in others'. Jesus said: Take out the beam out of your eye, so you can see the tiny speck in another's eye [my paraphrase].

  33. Spunky
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    @ Little Man

    You completely missed my point. My point was that people should point out flaws in my sources rather than give them pejorative labels like "funny." As of right now Little Man, you haven't pointed out a single flaw with anything I've cited. So if you disagree with my position, I'm not sure why. So I will ask you: what do my sources say that you disagree with?

    Look at this entire forum. Has anyone taken the time to even read my links? Have you? Read the Occupy Witchita thread and see how much time I devote to Daughter of Eve and Anne's sources, and see how much time they spent on mine. Indeed, they never question the sources I cite; Anne even admitted it. That's why I posted #21.

  34. Spunky
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @ Anne

    Only the first two paragraphs of the quotation were part of Dr. Herek's article. The rest are my words. There was a blockquote error on my part.

  35. leo
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    @Jymax, I don't care what citations you have been reading, my response you is the same as Nanette
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm @ 22...
    @Spunky- You never responded to my prior post in a different article, but on the same subject discussed here, see below:
    Leo post-
    Posted November 28, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink
    Spunky wrote:This is obviously ridiculous, as the gay rights movement never involves the legalization for or justification of pedophilia. Also, here is my one-line justification for homosexuality without justifying pedophilia: "Sex should be allowed between consenting adults." Easy.

    Spunky would you also agree to, homosexual indoctrination and peruasion should be between conssenting adults, otherwise be considered pedophillia persuasion and injury to a minor? And would it be true that, to promote and teach kids that homosexuality is a normal by adults, influencing kids to participate in adult sex, implying to little boys its ok for a ground man to touch them in their private parts? NEED AN EXAMPLE- go to 23 comment made by (Anne_ on the subject for clarification, and then answer the question...

    JUST A RECAP OF AN OLD POST:

    leo
    Posted November 24, 2011 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    @Spunk,Rob, or whomever, there is NO such thing as a heterosexual who is attracted to, and have sex with boys or men. This person(s) would be considered a bi-sexual. Men who have sex with males be it adolescent or adult, he is either a "homosexual" or a "bi-sexual". And, YES, it is TRUE, homosexuals who are attracted to little boys, are more likely to commit a crime, more likely to engage in pedophilia multiple times than heterosexual pedophiles. The research and the statistics are there. NOT TO EXCUSE SELF OBSERVATION AND KNOWLEDGE... Every male pedophile engaging in boy sex, reported in the news, had molested more than three kids or under age adults before getting caught.... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

    ...I don't believe there is one heterosexual pedophile who has been that lucky, because female victims are more likely to be protect from these predators. Sure their are under age females being molested by adult males but not even close to the rate of boys due to easy access. Boys are seen to be less vulnerable than girls. A notion that needs to change. Girls are less likely to be molested because they our over protected by their parents, family, local, and federal govt. In today’s world, If an under age female spent an hour with an adult male, someone, person(s) out there has taken noticed…...but not only due to easy access, also due to the nature of the sexual act.Homosexuality and homosexuals, or "gay men", describes a sex fanatic not only a male's sexual orientation. You ask how do I figure, because heterosexuals males, men of the norm do not express or fascinate themselves by pointing out they are the norm or are attracted to and enjoy sex with females, while gay men, homosexuals do and feel the need to point out their same sex desires. Their attraction to and addiction for same sex sexual acts dominates them, which makes them more likely to have several sex partners on the average, than straight males... IF IT IS TRUE THAT GAY MEN HAVE MORE SEX OR SEX PARTNERS THAN STRAIGHT MEN, WHY WOULDN'T THE SAME BE TRUE FOR A HOMO PEDOPHILE?

  36. leo
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    @spunk- your examples and comparisons are ridiculous....

  37. Jaymax
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse
    "Homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia are not synonymous. In fact, it may be that these two orientations are mutually exclusive, the reason being that the homosexual male is sexually attracted to masculine qualities whereas the heterosexual male is sexually attracted to feminine characteristics, and the sexually immature child’s qualities are more feminine than masculine. . . . The child offender who is attracted to and engaged in adult sexual relationships is heterosexual. It appears, therefore, that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the adult homosexual male."

    A. Nicholas Groth, William F. Hobson, and Thomas S. Gary, “The Child Molester: Clinical Observations,” in Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse, eds. Jon R. Conte and David A. Shore (New York: Haworth Press, 1982), p.136.

  38. Jaymax
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    Archives of Sexual Behavior

    “The adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male”

    “The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is completely unsupported by our data.”

    (Groth and Birnbaum, “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.”)

  39. Anne
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Spunky, this is a quote from me from the prevous thread you referenced:

    "What adults choose to do is their business. But when children are taught that limits do not apply to sexual behavior, it is the equivalent of justifying sexual anarchy (including pedophelia)."

    And I gave evidence of highly regarded members of the homosexual community promoting pedophelia, which you claimed was invalid and irrelevant, but your claim doesn't make it so.

    "We're not talking about pedophilia since these people don't have an attraction toward children."

    Spunky, you quote that as if it matters! Our government officials are parading in the midst of moral and sexaul filth in validation of it and in front of children, and you want the clinical claim that the "men" who personify this sexaul anarchy aren't "attracted to children" to have impact on the discussion?

    They are willing, in fact determined to expose children and all of society to this behavior. This is the culture of homosexuality. It is the symbol of the entire movement. That is why the "esteemed" Governor Coumo, Mayor Boomberg and countless other government "representatives" march in it. It is sexaul anarchy. And SEXUAL ANARCHY INCLUDES PEDOPHELIA.

    The gay community wants to validate this culture to my children through the public school system. I am NEVER going to stop opposing that.

    I will teach my children that there is a precious place for sex and sexuality in humanity and society. That it is part of God's plan for His Creation and that it is indelibly tied to the formation of families in the Natural Order. It is not something that belongs on parade.

    The homosexual community can never legitmately deny their indifference to protecting children from sexual abuse and exploitation so long as they continue to parade sex through the city streets as if it is an appropriate thing to do.

  40. Anne
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Spunky, your evaluation of sources amounts to:

    "If I agree with the results and it supports my objective, then they are valid. If I don't like the source (Ipce) then it's irrelevant."

    And:
    "If it's old and it's mine then it is valid, but if it's old and someone else's, then it's outdated."

    The social science cuts both ways, and your opinion is not the deciding factor.

    Please watch for my response to your gay pride parade answer. At the time of this post it is in moderation.

  41. Anne
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    This is a quote from the minutes of the June 2010 Ipce

    ["Ipce is a forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults.

    In this context, these relationships are intended to be viewed from an unbiased, non-judgmental perspective and in relation to the human rights of both the young and adult partners."]

    meeting as published in their January 2011 newsletter:

    "Real influence does not come from the public, but from the philosophers, scientists - and some journalists who are able to 'translate'. [... However, the public media] often ignore research with findings which contradict the hysteria about pedophilia. That leaves the public with a quite one-sided view.
    Possible means to reach the public include films songs, paintings, arts, videos, TV shows, playwrights. [...]
    We have also observed that sites as YouTube and the Amazone Forum refuse pro-pedophilia contributions. Thus, one should not choose this angle and should not use the 'p' word. Better angles are the civil rights of parents and children, freedom to express oneself, combating hysterical fear for friendly adults. Use arguments, not slogans."

    Spunky, if you replaced the term "pedophelia" with "homosexuality", how far is this from the argument and tactics that the homosexual community has and continues to use to advance their agenda? What makes you think it works for homosexuality and not pedophelia?

  42. Anne
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Ipce was organized and continues to be run by prominent homosexuals.

    "WELCOME! The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was formed in 1978. It was inspired by the success of a campaign based in Boston's [GAY COMMUNITY] to defend against a local witchhunt.

    NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

    building understanding and support for such relationships;
    educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
    cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
    supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.
    Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom."

    Confessions by the gay community that they defend and promote pedophelia are far more compelling evidence than "data" that proports that "homosexual men don't have sexaual attraction to boys".

  43. PPP
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    @Jymax, I don't care what citations you have been reading, my response you is the same as Nanette
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm @ 22...
    @Spunky- You never responded to my prior post in a different article, but on the same subject discussed here, see below:
    Leo post-
    Posted November 28, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink
    Spunky wrote:This is obviously ridiculous, as the gay rights movement never involves the legalization for or justification of pedophilia. Also, here is my one-line justification for homosexuality without justifying pedophilia: "Sex should be allowed between consenting adults." Easy.

    Spunky would you also agree to, homosexual indoctrination and peruasion should be between conssenting adults, otherwise be considered pedophillia persuasion and injury to a minor? And would it be true that, to promote and teach kids that homosexuality is a normal by adults, influencing kids to participate in adult sex, implying to little boys its ok for a ground man to touch them in their private parts? NEED AN EXAMPLE- go to 23 comment made by (Anne_ on the subject for clarification, and then answer the question...
    JUST A RECAP OF AN OLD POST:
    leo
    Posted November 24, 2011 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    @Spunk,Rob, or whomever, there is NO such thing as a heterosexual who is attracted to, and have sex with boys or men. This person(s) would be considered a bi-sexual. Men who have sex with males be it adolescent or adult, he is either a "homosexual" or a "bi-sexual". And, YES, it is TRUE, homosexuals who are attracted to little boys, are more likely to commit a crime, more likely to engage in pedophilia multiple times than heterosexual pedophiles. The research and the statistics are there. NOT TO EXCUSE SELF OBSERVATION AND KNOWLEDGE... Every male pedophile engaging in boy sex, reported in the news, had molested more than three kids or under age adults before getting caught.... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
    ...I don't believe there is one heterosexual pedophile who has been that lucky, because female victims are more likely to be protect from these predators. Sure their are under age females being molested by adult males but not even close to the rate of boys due to easy access. Boys are seen to be less vulnerable than girls. A notion that needs to change. Girls are less likely to be molested because they our over protected by their parents, family, local, and federal govt. In today’s world, If an under age female spent an hour with an adult male, someone, person(s) out there has taken noticed…...but not only due to easy access, also due to the nature of the sexual act.Homosexuality and homosexuals, or "gay men", describes a sex fanatic not only a male's sexual orientation. You ask how do I figure, because heterosexuals males, men of the norm do not express or fascinate themselves by pointing out they are the norm or are attracted to and enjoy sex with females, while gay men, homosexuals do and feel the need to point out their same sex desires. Their attraction to and addiction for same sex sexual acts dominates them, which makes them more likely to have several sex partners on the average, than straight males... IF IT IS TRUE THAT GAY MEN HAVE MORE SEX OR SEX PARTNERS THAN STRAIGHT MEN, WHY WOULDN'T THE SAME BE TRUE FOR A HOMO PEDOPHILE?

  44. Spunky
    Posted December 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    @ Anne

    Spunky, your evaluation of sources amounts to:

    "If I agree with the results and it supports my objective, then they are valid. If I don't like the source (Ipce) then it's irrelevant."

    And:
    "If it's old and it's mine then it is valid, but if it's old and someone else's, then it's outdated."

    What are you talking about? I'm talking about studies by experts, while you're referencing fringe magazines. I already addressed this issue here.

    "We're not talking about pedophilia since these people don't have an attraction toward children."

    Spunky, you quote that as if it matters! Our government officials are parading in the midst of moral and sexaul[sic] filth in validation of it and in front of children, and you want the clinical claim that the "men" who personify this sexaul[sic] anarchy aren't "attracted to children" to have impact on the discussion?
    ...
    It is sexaul[sic] anarchy. And SEXUAL ANARCHY INCLUDES PEDOPHELIA[sic].

    The first sentence speaks for itself. As for the rest, your logic is wrong. Advocating homosexuality and more liberal sexual expression is not the same as allowing every type of sexual act. No one is advocating pedophilia. You call it anarchy because it's more liberal than what you're used to. But again, gay pride parades have nothing to do with pedophilia. And AGAIN, just because a couple of people wear less clothing than you'd like, that doesn't mean that the entire gay community supports them. STOP STEREOTYPING PLEASE.

  45. Spunky
    Posted December 8, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    @ leo
    I did respond to your earlier post but it didn't get through the moderation, even though I didn't post any insults. I'm as frustrated as you. However, I notice that you 1) continue to post comments I can barely understand and 2) haven't bothered to read my sources. Until you change this, I can't keep debating you.

    @ Anne

    My comment didn't go through. I will just ask you to stop stereotyping the gay community by referencing the IPCE. No one in the gay community cares about them. No one shows public support for this group.

  46. Anne
    Posted December 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    SPUNKY, USING BOLD (I don't know how to bold here) CAPITAL LETTERS WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IPCE, NAMBLA AND THE GAY PRIDE PARADE ARE ALL PRODUCTS AND COMPONENTS OF THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, AND THAT THE MAYO CLINIC (not a fringe magazine) DOES NOT SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR 'STUDIES BY EXPERTS'.

    There is a gaping distinction between 'wearing less clothes than I'd like', and gyrating in a g-string next to a 6 foot green penis in the middle of the street. Minimalizing the disguistingness of the gay pride parade and implying that I am overly sensitive with regard to it is a sign of how weak your position is in suggesting that children are unharmed amidst the homosexual culture.

    When THE GOVERNOR AND THE MAYOR join the parade, it's NOT STEREOTYPING to say it represents the entire gay community.

    WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE PARTICIPANTS ARE MERELY WEARING LESS CLOTHES THAN "I" WOULD LIKE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE GAY PRIDE PARADE IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN?

    I typed the question in capital letters because I'd REALLY like to know your answer.

    And the answer to your question is no. I will not pretend that IPCE and NAMBLA and the gay pride parade are fringe elements of the homosexual culture. They are all characteristic of the philosophy and you cannot make that go away just because it impedes your position.

  47. TC Matthews
    Posted December 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Studies that tend to agree with Spunky also tend to be plagued with small sample sizes and rely on self reported "soft" science tactics rather than broad based hard science such as have been done with studies showing the benefits of children having a loving father in the home.

  48. Anne
    Posted December 8, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    BTW Spunky, thanks for the help with the spelling. I took typing in high school. I wasn't any good at it then either. I'll try to slow it down a little to avoid the typos since it seems to be distracting to you.

  49. leo
    Posted December 9, 2011 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Same here Anne, I think my typos in my prior message to Spunky are getting to him or maybe not? He continues to avoid my question to him about the connection between homosexual persuasion by adults to teach under kids or under adults about having gay sex, and pedophilia or pedophiles=(sexual desire felt by an adult for children, or the crime of sex with a child). Whether or not he feels the NEED by these adults to force indoctrination for sexual conduct by kids and adolescences is a form of child molestation (to force unwanted sexual attentions on somebody, especially a child…) or leads to pedophilia, if not why wouldn’t it ? And if can’t understand me this time, maybe he can understand this- article posted by NOM:
    Explicit Videos Were Inappropriate For High Schoolers...
    DECEMBER 8, 2011 AT 12:10 PM
    An anti-bullying curriculum in the Vancouver public schools points kids to a website featuring explicit videos of gay sex. When school board Trustee Ken Denike learned of it, he suggested periodic reviews of all online resources...and was roundly denounced by community leaders as a homophobe.
    (Spunky), why would any adult support giving minors’ access to pornography, especially of homosexuality, if that person or persons were not attracted to minors or having sexual relations with a minor? Basically telling kids and under age teens, it is ok or normal to engage in risky, harmful sexual behavior with anyone, be it an adult or with another kid acting out like an adult. Now, is this behavior a formula for pedophilia? I say YES, but maybe not conventional wisdom but in an unorthodox fashion.
    In any event, again, to recap my original question to you in response to your answer to a question made by blogger Anne, here as followed:
    1. Posted November 28, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink
    Spunky wrote responding to a Q by Anne: This is obviously ridiculous, as the gay rights movement never involves the legalization for or justification of pedophilia. Also, here is my one-line justification for homosexuality without justifying pedophilia: "Sex should be allowed between consenting adults." Easy.
    Spunky would you also agree to, homosexual indoctrination and persuasion should be between consenting adults, otherwise be considered pedophilia persuasion and injury to a minor? And would it be true that, to promote and teach kids that homosexuality is normal by adults, influences kids to participate in adult sex, and( implies that its ok for boys to have sex with man), and that its ok for grown men touch little boys private parts? Comment made by (Anne regarding gay parades and involving children ask a similar question to mine, to you ...-

  50. Spunky
    Posted December 11, 2011 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    @ NOM Moderator

    I posted two responses several days ago and they have yet to appear in this forum. You can delete this message whenever you let my posts through.