Some mental health professionals are, apparently, going to try, according to The Daily Caller (yes, we know many --probably most-- in the gay community would be as outraged as anyone else by the idea):
The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.
Researchers from Harvard University, the Johns Hopkins University, the University of Louisville, and the University of Illinois will be among the panelists at the conference.
B4U-ACT has been active attacking the APA’s definition of pedophilia in the run up to the conference, denouncing its description of “minor-attracted persons” as “inaccurate” and “misleading” because the current DSM links pedophilia with criminality.
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Linking pedophilia with criminality? Why, how ageist.
"encourage tolerance" > Are you f'ing NUTS?
This is OUTRAGEOUS at best! I would go so far as to suggest that the very notion of "normalizing" this heinous act was most likely that of a pedo!!!
Nasty Nasty Nasty > Absolutely NO WAY!
ZERO Tolerance. Leave our babies Alone!
Homosexuals have no tolerance for this behavior either
Nice work, trying to subtly tie pedophilia to gay rights. I got news for you, gay people are ADULTS who prefer other ADULTS. You're less likely to find a pedophile among us than you are in the trailer parks most of you moulder in.
NO civilized human being has any tolerance for these scum.
Why btw would you make the comment: "yes, we know many --probably most-- in the gay community would be as outraged as anyone else by the idea" ??
So are womens groups .. so are the shriners, so are the local gangs, bootleggers and MOST boyscout leaders > Why the comment about "probably most" of the gay community would be outraged?? Are you freaking serious??? OF COURSE We are ALL outraged.
You have caused a great deal of concern 'We' are talking and many are saying: "they are subtly trying to tie gay rights to pedophile rights."
Sure looks that way to me too. Please stop doing that.
Gay Rights, Womens Rights, Human Rights > NONE have a damned thing in common with the scum that attack our babies. .. so .. just stop it.
When it comes to pedophiles, we should take the advice of Ted Nugent.
"When it comes to pedophiles, we should take the advice of Ted Nugent."
Pedophiles should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as should those who assign themselves the role of judge, jury and executioner.
As a gay man I have great sympathize with pedophiles. Like me, they are scorned by society because of the sexual attractions they have. The difference is I engage in sexual activities with consenting adults, where as the pedophile does it with minors. I'm no expert but I do feel that like me, they are just born this way.
This does not mean I would condone adults having sex with minors but is why I sympathize with them. I can always find a consenting adult to have sex with, for them, they may never get their sexual urges satisfied.
The LGBT activists have no one to blame but themselves for this. They opened the door. Eventually they will have to answer for it. First polygamy, now this. We said for years this would happen, and they didn't listen. Let's see how their "equality" argument works now.
What the hell does this have to do with marriage?
I hate to break it to ya Linda. But you can't allow one sexual perversion without allowing them all. As has been stated previously, the gay community opened the door that led to this. Bestiality, pedophilia, homosexuality, they all stand or fall together.
Jim, its the slippery slope that no one said mattered. We thought the next thing would be sibling, aunt or poly pseudo marriage. No they want our children, they want our babies. We should have seen this coming.
There is a perception that since statistically the life expectancy of homosexual males is shorter than for heterosexuals; and that since the number of partners of homosexual males is greater than for homosexuals; that the pursuit of partners drive them to pursue younger individuals (i.e., boys)
The drive to lower age of consent laws is likely pushed by pedophiles to gain access younger and younger.
Until a person reaches an appropriate age for either marriage or having a family and taking on full adult responsibilities for themselves, then they have no business being sexually active in the first place; let alone being given access by predatory pedophiles.
OMG!!! They are out of their freakin minds!!!! They want to call this tolerance.... So when they charge us will they call it "Tolerance to the Grave(?) when some S.O.B.'s do this to our children and we blow these worthless bastards away.? If anyone did this to any of my grand children they might as well bend over and kiss their worthless @$$e$ goodbye cause I WILL blow them away!!! Nope not a threat just a promise!!!!
Believe it or not, Linda, NAMBLA used to march openly in gay pride parades. There were quite a few people in the gay liberation movement who argued that pederasty was an integral and traditional part of homosexuality.
And some Christians burned each other at the stake for not "practicing the right faith," Lefty.
You wanna try the guilt by past actions talking point again?
The homosexual lobby set the precedent of raising a ruckus on behalf of those refusing to be treated for what the DSM called a mental disorder and demanding it cease to be called such...I'm sure we can expect a demand to accept cannibalism eventually...
I feel it is the end of western scociety this sort of has happernd before eg: rome,greek and this has happerned before they fell
It seems to me that mental health professionals are looking at ways to treat those attracted to children who don't want to act on those urges, rather than to encourage the molestation of children. Once a pedophile is arrested and convicted, of course, he can be incarcerated. But it seems to me that there is a place for improving care of men who are attracted to children but don't want to act on it. If this treatment can prevent child molestation before it happens, then it is a good thing..
Actually, I disagree with NOM that some or most of the gays would find this problematic. From the ones I've dealt with; many of them regard themselves as "open-minded" enough to be all in favor of this. Homosexuality is a dysfunctional mindset that rationalizes and normalizes pro-deviancy behaviors. NAMBLA has a cozy relationship with gay rights organizations. I'm not at all surprised by this article.
@ Lefty: They still do. Whenever they talk about LGBT ''history'' in the ancient world guess what they are referencing to ?
So consistent for NOM to degenerate the conversation.... Did anyone notice that the tweet on this article was from a Catholic twitter hub? Maybe this story is about how the catholic Church is the one to "Normalize Pediphelia" so their Priests can excape persecution! And attempt to blame the "Gays" for their private agenda! Any link or inference made by NOM between the Pediphelia support and the LBGT community is pandering to a negative stereotype.
I believe an issue that is causing so much hostility, is that members of the LGBT community differ just as much as members of the heterosexual community. You can’t say all gay people are pedophiles anymore than you can say all straight people are pedophiles. People can’t be clumped that way. For more information on this topic, please visit:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
The fight for gay marriage equality is for two consenting adults who can sign a legal marriage contract. Minors do not fit into this category and therefore to do not qualify as similar to this debate. Please stop inappropriately comparing pedophilia to gay rights. It makes you look uneducated and destroys any credibility you think you may have.
It's funny how the homosexuals will say nay to this when in fact there is little difference in the core pathology of the behavior. Homosexuals were "born that way"? Pedophiles are rarely "cured" and their urges are only tempered with medication. So I guess they were "born that way" too. If not, then why not? And aren't our 21st century "age of consent" laws just as arbitrary as the laws of only 20 years ago regarding homosexuality and marriage? If not why not? Why, isn't THIS generation the most "enlightened" now and forever? You can't think we are, and If not then any and all centuries old social norms are set to fall.
A scholarly symposium on an issue is not a sign of broad support for it.
The movement for marriage equality is working for the full recognition and protection of the law for:
1. civil marriages (with full recognition for churches and church officials not to perform same sex marriages if it is at odds with their beliefs).
2. marriages between consenting adults (with the same age restrictions as currently defined in state marriage laws for opposite sex marriage).
3. recognition of marriage as 2 people.
Attempting to scare people from accepting same sex marriage between 2 adults, by implying that it will inevitably lead to polygamy, incest and bestiality is intellectually dishonest.
In countries and states that recognize and protect marriage equality for same sex couples, and this for a good number of years, the extension to recognizing polygamy, incest and bestiality just hasn't happened, not is it going to.
@Alvin and others - Check out the recent NAMBLA website article on the subject, which negates your erroneous assumption that there is no past (or present) sympathy between gay rights activism and pedophiles. Once you change the definition of marriage from one man and one woman (therefore, one mother and one father), you destroy the protective kinship system that it alone supports.
Hey, it worked for gays. Why not pedophiles? What a sick world we live in. It is time for God to came straighten things out down here.
Very true, twingirl2.
And we mistakenly thought polygamy and man-horse marriage was next...
@Claude - I can see no substantial difference between your position using "equality" as the rationale for overturning male-female marriage and the positions espoused by pedophile activists for overturning age of consent laws. You rely on the same assumptions and approaches: class warfare, whether labeled as "sexism" or "ageism". Assumptions about "equality" are severely flawed in both arguments because these are different relationships, not just different individuals. There is no fundamental similarity between male-female unions and purported same-sex unions, because it is not just "two people", but specifically distinctive sexes, who are unified in male-female relationships. You can't logically claim a "male versus female" dichotomy, by dividing the sexes into "opposing" groups of male OR female, and then claim a non-existent similarity to male AND female union somehow applies! The dismissal of "age differences" by pedophiles is the same logical step as the dismissal of "sex differences", but both sex and age differences are valid, real, and extremely important. The sexes have different vulnerabilities, just as the different ages of child and adult have different vulnerabilities. No one can really ignore these vulnerabilities without causing harm to other people.
@Just Me (#20) - Thanks for the reference to the psychological "rainbow" research at ucdavis. Interesting reading. It looks like maybe we could all agree that there is a difference between orientation and behavior, as you note between pedophiles (attracted to children) and child molesters (actually have sexual relations with children). This is precisely the kind of distinction recognizable among those who distinguish homosexual attraction (desires) and behavior (which is desire that is acted on). It also appears we can agree that just because the desire exists does not mean it is necessarily a good that it be fulfilled. Would you agree?
"You're less likely to find a pedophile among us than you are in the trailer parks most of you moulder in."
That depends on whether you're talking statistically/factually or emotionally.
Statistically/factually, the majority of pro-marriage folks do not live in trailer parks, and there is a larger percentage of pedophiles among committers of homosexual acts than heterosexual... even heterosexuals in trailer parks.
Emotionally, all gays are pure of heart and intent, therefore there are no pedophiles who prefer same-sex relations and any evidence to the contrary has been invented by people who hate gays... but owning a trailer is a sure sign that you want to 'do' your neighbor's toddler. Because dehumanization, like violence, is bad unless you're a gay activist doing it to your opponents.
"...and there is a larger percentage of pedophiles among committers of homosexual acts than heterosexual..."
Prove it. This is in direct contradiction to mainstream thought in the behaviorial sciences. Making remarks like this which disparage an entire group of people without any support is beneath contempt.
"Prove it. This is in direct contradiction to mainstream thought in the behaviorial sciences. Making remarks like this which disparage an entire group of people without any support is beneath contempt"
The only contraditciton is in your assertion that sexual depravity is main stream. The fact that same-sx enthusiasts are more than (40) time more likely to molest children is a well documented fact.
Case in poit; 95% of Catholic priests caught up in their church's sexual abuse scandal are self professed "homosexuals."
But let's hear more "no it isn't" and "so what?" responses from supporteres of sexual depravity.
note: Google it
Ages of consent are arbitrary details,the necessity of partners being of opposite sexes for their relationship to qualify as a marriage is the entire purpose of there being any such thing as a marriage.If you think the partners being of opposite sexes need not be mandatory there is no way to stop questioning any other requirement,none of which can be more important.
It is beginning to look like the proponents of moral perversion are overreaching. This is understandable, and it is the crucial point of weakness in their present position. We are many. They are few. All that is needed now is courage, and the parents in Canada mentioned above have it.
The DSM links criminality to the same way it links substance abuse to criminality. Despite all these threats from society they continue to injure those that are unable to consent. Tolerance? Of what? Of the act or the illness? No tolerance for the act on any level.
Pedophilia is a predatory disease on those who cannot consent. Male on male or male on female it is damaging to neurological, psychological, and social development. This has nothing to do with hetero or homo relationships. This post only serves as an attempt to demonize gays.
"This post only serves as an attempt to demonize gays."
Exactly right. The only reason NOM put this up was to stir up antipathy for GLBT people. Reading the comments here, it's easy to see that they've had at least partial success.
Bruce: No. Actually the intent is to demonize the demonstrably insane arguments of the pseudo-marriage movement, which the article shows are equally applicable to the legalization of other forms of immorality. The secular humanist religion intends to impose its demonstrably insane values through the clever expedient of dismissing all other value systems as "religious", while claiming itself to be "neutral". This will fail the very moment parents finally grasp the ruination that awaits their children should these evil agendas prevail.
It is "GLBT identity" that deserves antipathy,not the people who need to stop thinking of themselves as "GLBT people".Secular common sense precludes any justification for same-sex sexual activity regardless of what any religion may teach.
So Louise you are now also going to tell people what to think as well as how they should behave? What gives you the right to impose your belief system on people who have nothing to do with you?
May I again remind anyone interested to google the "Homosexual Manifesto' written at the beginning of the movement which specifically mentions their intent to lower all age of consent laws. I read it and there are many other depraved things in there.
@Leehawks
Can you provide a link please? I'd like to investigate that "manifesto" for my blog.
@Leehawks
Never mind. Found it. Wow. The FIRST action mentioned by the homosexual manifesto is pedophilic; "We will sodomize your sons." Wow. No link between homosexuality and pedophilia? BULL***T.
Can we get a grip on reality here?
1] "The homosexual manifesto" everyone is so riled about on this thread speaks for the attitudes of most LGBT people about as well as the Westboro Baptist Church speaks for most Christians.
2] The actual summary of the pedophilia symposium says NOTHING about normalizing pedophilia. The Daily Caller - a totally biased (and apparently incompetent) re-interpreter of rather simple language - evolved the symposium's description into a headline with some nonsense about normalization. The symposium does not appear to have anything to do with "normalization".
NOM, of course, is happy to take their BS and run with it, no matter how obviously inaccurate it is (which says something about NOM's expectations of your intelligence, dearest NOM-supporters).
I suppose NOM is not going to mention the endless list of Catholic and Protestant priests and bishops involved in child sex abuse scandals. Seriously, its pathetic, all of this crap about gays living shorter life spans its all lies! Please stop caring about what gays do in private between consenting adults, its simply incomparable to pedophillia
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