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Why is Michele Bachmann's Husband Being Targeted by Gay Activists?

 

We've been following with concern the organized efforts by gay activists to demonize Michele Bachmann's husband.

Greg Quinlan, President of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays and Executive Director of Equality and Justice For All comes to Mr. Bachmann's defense -- and to the defense of others who are not given a voice:

Why have gay activists instigated media attention over ex-gays and the husband of Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann?

Apparently, Mr. Bachmann, who has a PhD in clinical psychology, operates several counseling centers which also offer services to homosexual clients seeking to overcome unwanted same-sex attractions. But because even one ex-gay proves that homosexual behavior is not innate or immutable, the gay lobby's fear of their former members results in false claims and attacks aimed at preventing homosexuals from exercising their right to self-determination. They cannot bear to have even one homosexual leave homosexuality, hence their outrage at Dr. Bachmann.

I know because I am ex-gay myself. I suffer more harassment as a former homosexual than I ever did as an out and proud homosexual.

The ex-gay community includes thousands of former homosexuals like myself who benefited from counseling. We did not choose our homosexual feelings, but we did exercise our right to seek help to change those feelings. As a registered nurse, I saw hundreds of gay men die of AIDS before I finally left the gay lifestyle.

Contrary to the myths being generated by outraged homosexuals, counseling for unwanted same-sex attractions is not prohibited by any medical association. Unhappy homosexuals are not children in need of parental permission and can freely choose their own therapeutic treatment just like anyone else.

The Bachmann incident demonstrates that as homosexuals gain more civil rights, heterosexuals are losing theirs. Because gays are a wealthy and politically powerful minority, they claim access to media attention, political power and corporate influence that middle America does not have. --PFOX

70 Comments

  1. Sam Jones
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Of course gays are outraged when people leave homosexuality. Because homosexuality is a cult. And nobody - NOBODY - leaves a cult!

    NOBODY!

  2. Randy E King
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Take a look at the relationship between Jim Jones and Harvey Milk; the similarities of their respective ideologies are not coincidental.

    Fun Fact:

    Harvey Milk’s Will stipulated that a packet ok Kool-Aid was to be inserted with his ashes upon his death.

  3. Fedele Razio
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Gay ideology is like communism: they must win in order to let the world know how horrible consequences their ideology brings.

    By the way: isn't it funny the strange alliance between financial tycoons and leftist ideologists on the gay "rights" issue?

  4. Jackson
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    The only people seeking to "leave" homosexuality are those who've been told relentlessly by the religious right that they are going to hell, which reparative therapy or "pray the gay away" is based on. Those of us who are totally comfortable being gay (since we are all born in the image of god), understand why this kind of debunked "therapy" is so destructive.

  5. Jackson
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    By the way: isn't it funny the strange alliance between the financial support of Mormons/Catholics and the right wing on the "traditional" marriage issue?

  6. Thom
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    A cult? Really Sam??? Since it has existed throughout history wouldn't that perhaps make it an established religion by now?

    C'mon.... you can do better than that.

  7. Thom
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Take a look at the relationship between Randy King and Fred Phelps; the similarities of their respective ideologies are not coincidental.

  8. Sam Jones
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    So you can read minds then, Jackson? I guess all ex-gays are liars as their testimony indicates otherwise.

    http://www.pfox.org

  9. a.mcewen
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    It's kinda dumb how NOM has tried to dip in this issue. Bachmann lied when he said his clinic does not practice reparative therapy. And the undercover work caught him in the lie. How complicated is that?

  10. Sam Jones
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    If homosexuality was an established religion, the government wouldn't be able to endorse and sponser it the way it does. It is in its own best interests to function under a guise of a legitimate science.

  11. tom
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    perhaps, just perhaps, it is because, Bachmann said homosexuals are barbarians who need disciple. If a congressman's spouse said evangelicals are barbarians and ran a the Jesus freak detox clinic what do you think the react would be?

  12. KevinMich
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    What's shocking is how much religionists are willing to lie to further their agenda. When I was a kid, yes, many years ago, Christians were thought to be more honest than most people. Now the opposite it true.

  13. Jackson
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    I think it's interesting that more pro-SSM supporters visit NOM's website than the anti-gay crowd these days. Just proves that while all people can and should practice their religion as they see fit, the vast majority of Americans are abhorred by Focus on the Family, FRC, NOM and the other antigay groups who really just want to raise a ton of money for their staffers by saying and writing the most outrageous things possible about their fellow Americans who happen to be gay. It's a losing proposition in the long run, but fills the coffers in the short term.

  14. Randy E King
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Judging from the activity level of all the same-sex enthusiasts on this site today they must have tired of all the rah-rah lies they get from their advocacy sites and got a little hungry for some truth.

  15. Fedele Razio
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @Jackson: I saw with my eyes a man with same sex attraction getting rid of that and retrieving his real hetero sexual identity.

    I know a few ex gays: they're real, and they didn't leave same sex attraction because they've been told to, but because the wanted to.

    Would you restrict the freedom to choose one's own lifestyle? Aren't you ok with the ex-gay lifestyle?

  16. a.mcewen
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Sure they do, Fedele. Again what's the problem? Bachmann lied about his clinic practicing this type of therapy and therefore was subsequently busted by hidden camera. I would say that the problem lies with his clinic.

  17. Johan de Vries
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    If someone enters such a program conciously and well informed, that is their choice. And if they are genuinly happy that they did so, then good for them. Unfortunately, plenty of children are send to "reparative therapy" against their will after coming out to their parents. Also, many (if not most) do deeply regret their choice of attending therapy.

    I would have to agree with mcewen in post eight. If you practice some kind of therapy, but publicly deny it, it makes me wonder why that is.

  18. Badger
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I know an ex-ex gay too who is now angry and a lot poorer after being duped by so called ex-gay therapy. Ex-gay therapy is based on fraud.

  19. Fedele Razio
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    "Unfortunately, plenty of children are send to "reparative therapy" against their will after coming out to their parents"

    Can you prove that?

    Unless you can prove that, it's just a new media hype gay advocates are using to force their agenda down the throat of the public.

  20. MarriedGayChristian
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Bachman clearly has a deep seeded hatred for America. They won't even admit the truth when caught red handed in the lie. That shows how little respect they have for the American people.

  21. Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    So the “gay community” (as defined by the Left) must decide what’s a healthy relationship? This is bizarre. Let people make up their own minds. This is anti-choice.

  22. Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Fedele, as one who was sent by my parents to ex-gay therapy myself at the age of 17 without my consent, I can attest to the fact that this sort of thing happens to LGBT children each and every day. Do a little research on the subject...it is astounding that these parents are allowed to do such a thing.

  23. DonG
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    most gays understand that sexual idenity is fluid over a lifespan. What is so hard to understand about gay to straight or duh straight to gay or a little of both. do you insist that others must fix their life for you. How messed up it that?

  24. Jpk020
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Randy many, many churches teach that being gay is somehow bad, the parents are brainwashed into thinking oh no! I've got to "fix" my kid and they send the kid to reparative therapy scarring the kid for life, thinking there is something wrong with him or her.

  25. John Noe
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Facts are facts, and they are simple. Their are no ex blacks or ex lefthanded people because that is not human behavior, but you were born that way.
    The continued testimony of all of the ex homosexausls proves that it is a human conduct and a human behavior by choice. They were not born that way.
    There is a very good reason why the homosexuals attack the ex gays, even to the point of fighting to not allow them to be listed as a sexual orientation. Back in the 80's they used the term sexual preference and were getting nowhere with their agenda. How can you claim to be the victim of discrimination when you chose to be that way, and if you simply obeyed the laws like everybody else there is no discrimination?
    Hence: They changed their stradegy. The went all out and adopted the lie of claiming being born that way.

  26. Randy E King
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    No child should be thinking that they might be a same-sex enthusiast; they should be thinkiing about those things that are associated with childhood.

    Same-sex indoctrination course work should never be presentedf to other peoples children. I know quite a few people that count themselves as member of the same-sex community and they have no qualms about encouraging children to pursue a deviant lifstyle.

  27. MIke Brooks
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    I am a former participant in homosexual behavior. I changed my behavior and no longer participate in such acts. I am married with kids, now, and look back embarrassingly on my former homosexual behavior. Behavioral modification is oftentimes difficult to accomplish, but many are successful at it. Give up the gay.

  28. Raj
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    One of Bachman's biggest problems is that he doesn't use an "informed consent" form when he treats patients who express unhappiness with their homosexuality. A proper "informed consent" form would spell out the downside upfront, as articulated by the APA and other professional organizations, and then let adult individuals decide for themselves.

    I have no problem with adults pursuing whatever treatments they feel are in their own interest. But they need full disclosure in order to make the best decisions.

  29. Randy E King
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    The APA is nothing more than a same-sex enthusiast country club; you might as well require the opposition to get your permission before they help those who ask for it.

  30. Barb
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    I know it must be difficult to control this blog, but with the Gaystapo using different names with each post and logging in from different computers when they've been banned, it's beginning to feel like a NY apartment that's been overrun with cockroaches.

  31. Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    I know it must be difficult to control this blog, but with the Gaystapo using different names with each post and logging in from different computers when they've been banned, it's beginning to feel like a NY apartment that's been overrun with cockroaches.

    Those people ought to stick to farming fudge.

  32. northwestperson
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    know it must be difficult to control this blog, but with the Gaystapo using different names with each post and logging in from different computers when they've been banned, it's beginning to feel like a NY apartment that's been overrun with cockroaches.

    ....said the ignorant bigot bitch.

  33. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    @barb we'd probably have alot more fun conversations if this blog didn't reject so many random posts, and Michael grow up why do you people all of a sudden become first grade level bullies not intelligent enough to use big boy taunts?

  34. Randy E King
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Same-sex enthusiasts have no interest in honest dialogue because honest dialogue will not satisfy their wants.

    The opposition already knows that their activity is historically unacceptable and harmful to society, so they set out to redefine words and coin phrases in an obvious attempt to lend the appearance of acceptability to their depravity.

  35. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Honestly Randy I know this is going out on a limb but you understand the concept of evolution, right, it doesn't just happen overnight people change, they become more and more accepting realizing that NOT everyone is exactly like them.... Unfortunately lower level lifeforms have a long way to evolve

  36. Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    "I know a few ex gays: they're real, and they didn't leave same sex attraction because they've been told to, but because the wanted to."

    And I know a few gay men, as well, who had the unfortunate situation of being forced into ex-gay therapy as youths by scornful parents. It took them years to get over the psychological damage they experienced.

  37. Randy E King
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Jpk020 wrote

    Honestly Randy I know this is going out on a limb but you understand the concept of evolution.

    Is that anything like the concept of Time Travel, Black Holes, After Death Experiences, and the like? I know that the world of Harry Potter is a fantastic escape, but I would not advise basing society on it.

    NARTH:

    http://narth.com/

    This advocacy group’s opinion differs from your preferred advocacy group’s opinion. Personally; I would never take a professional organization's opinion as gospel on any topic - considering the fact that they exist to further their own interests and not that of societies.

  38. Anthony
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I wonder how all of those gay rights people got their comments on this blog, considering the fascist moderator that deletes comments.

  39. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    The moderators want some intelligent conversation so they have to let us " gay fascists" comment otherwise it's junk, unintelligible comments, and hate

  40. Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    The moderators want some intelligent conversation so they have to let us " gay fascists" comment otherwise it's junk, unintelligible comments, and hate

    Demagogues and the Marriage Debate

    Pro, con, or undecided, Americans should be able to discuss something as serious as redefining marriage without resorting to slander and ad hominem attacks. There are sincere, compassionate, and thoughtful people on both sides of this issue. How can you tell who they are? They aren't the ones calling people bigots.

  41. Bruce
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    "Pro, con, or undecided, Americans should be able to discuss something as serious as redefining marriage without resorting to slander and ad hominem attacks."

    This from a man who just called gay people "fudge farmers." You might have some credibility if you stopped the ad hominem attacks yourself.

  42. Thom
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Bruce!

  43. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    KevinMich
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm:
    "What's shocking is how much religionists are willing to lie to further their agenda. When I was a kid, yes, many years ago, Christians were thought to be more honest than most people. Now the opposite it true."

    Like how the homosexuals lie about being "born this way" or homosexuals saying the same legal precedent to remove sodomy laws won't lead to efforts to promote SSM or be used to try to remove polygamy laws or how this "undercover reporter" said he had a sincere personal mental dilemma and was seeking therapy for that problem (I could go on but you know all of the lies)?

  44. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Sam Jones
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm:
    "If homosexuality was an established religion, the government wouldn't be able to endorse and sponser it the way it does. It is in its own best interests to function under a guise of a legitimate science."

    Probably would be best if homosexuality was a recognized religion then the truth of it being a choice wouldn't be confused with the pseudoscience.

  45. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Sam Jones
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm:
    "If homosexuality was an established religion, the government wouldn't be able to endorse and sponser it the way it does. It is in its own best interests to function under a guise of a legitimate science."

    Probably would be best if homosexuality was a recognized religion because than the truth of it being a choice wouldn't be confused with the pseudoscience presented by the APA and like organizations.

  46. Dan
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-am-an-ex-gay-and-i-support-michele-bachmann-and-her-husband

  47. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Stating that I was born this way is a fact, please do some real scientic research, not anything funded by religious zealots who get paid to pander to a buch of people who can't think for themselves there's a great article on the advocate that might enlighten some if you Neanderthals

  48. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    a.mcewen
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:58 pm:
    "Sure they do, Fedele. Again what's the problem? Bachmann lied about his clinic practicing this type of therapy and therefore was subsequently busted by hidden camera. I would say that the problem lies with his clinic."

    No Bachmann didn't lie. He said it was a false statement to other's statement that "the mission of the clinic includes counseling homosexuals in an effort to "ungay" them". Do you have a copy of Bachmann & Associates mission statement a.mcewen? The statement in the article & context of the story it's from tried to make it that this was all the clinic did. Bachmann counters with "If someone is interested in talking to us about their homosexuality, we are open to talking about that. But if someone comes in a homosexual and they want to stay homosexual, I don't have a problem with that." As the homosexual "undercover reporter's" video shows Bachmann is truthful to his statement. The reporter/activist (who BTW is presenting himself to the therapist as a liar) came in for therapy for a problem he was having with homosexuality. Did the activist ask the therapist to help him embrace his homosexual identity?

  49. Randy E King
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020 wrote:

    "Stating that I was born this way is a fact"

    The only visible fact about the above is that you did indeed state it.

    The obvious and undeniable fact is that you yourself are aware of what a disgusting choice it truly is; so mush so that you cannot bring yourself to take responsibility for the choice you made - truly pathetic.

  50. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm:
    "The moderators want some intelligent conversation so they have to let us " gay fascists" comment otherwise it's junk, unintelligible comments, and hate"

    Like this junk, unitelligible & hateful statement:

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 9:03 am:
    "Unfortunately lower level lifeforms have a long way to evolve"

  51. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:37 pm:
    "Stating that I was born this way is a fact, please do some real scientic research, not anything funded by religious zealots who get paid to pander to a buch of people who can't think for themselves there's a great article on the advocate that might enlighten some if you Neanderthals"

    Are you saying they found the gay gene (or genes) within the past 24 hours? I didn't see that headline anywhere. What article from The Advocate are you talking about? What makes The Advocate the definite scientific source?

  52. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    No the advocate is not a scientific magazine if you actually went there there are 2 articles about how we will probably never find a single gay gene just like we will never find a single gene that defines right vs left handedness and we haven't found a gene proving hetero vs homo sexuality because genes work together but that would require you to acknowledge evolutionary changes which will probably never happen

  53. Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Oh and telling you that you need to evolve from lower lifeforms is not hateful it's truthful

  54. Randy E King
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020 wrote:

    "No the advocate is not a scientific magazine if you actually went there there are 2 articles about how we will probably never find a single gay gene"

    That is because no such thing has ever existed; never has, and never will.

    You are simply looking for excuses for why it is OK for you to do the things you do; you cannot lean on scientific data in support of because none exist, you cannot lean on historical data to support your rediculous assertions because none exist, so you have to make up stories.

    You believe in the mythical "Gay gene"; you admit that you will never be able to prove your theory, yet still you demand that the source of our freedom be ostracized from the public conversation because no one can provide you with enough evidence to convince you that the Creator who endowed you with your unalienable rights actually did.

    I'm calling it: Hypocrite

    Check it!

  55. 2020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    There are many good and valid reasons to vote against same sex marriage - natural order, public morality, law and behavior theory, child development, preserving American tradition, preventing the collapse of western civilization, parental instincts, protecting the true meaning of marriage, among others.

    Whoever goes around saying it’s about "hate" and “homophobia” purposefully misrepresents the true nature of the issue, and such a person is trapped in their own anti-Christian bias and bigotry, as we can read from the intolerant homosexuals posting here.

  56. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm:
    "No the advocate is not a scientific magazine if you actually went there there are 2 articles about how we will probably never find a single gay gene just like we will never find a single gene that defines right vs left handedness and we haven't found a gene proving hetero vs homo sexuality because genes work together but that would require you to acknowledge evolutionary changes which will probably never happen"

    Funny, because up until a few years ago homosexual advocates where sure a gay gene (or genes) would be found by 2008, even the APA was positive about that near discovery, but then they changed there tune (e.g. position statement) around then to. About the "no left handed gene" comment: "In 2007, researchers discovered that specific alleles of at least one of three single-nucleotide polymorphisms upstream of the already known LRRTM1 gene were linked to left-handedness." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handedness#cite_note-2. Don't have to prove heterosexuality with a gene or genes, if I have the right equipment I know biologically what it's for. How can we be evolving if homosexual behavior and desire has been with society throughout the ages? What's there to evolve too? Are all straights suppose to evolve into homosexuals? Is that what the homosexual movement is all about? Designating themselves as the highest life form on the evolutionary chart?

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm: "Oh and telling you that you need to evolve from lower lifeforms is not hateful it's truthful"

    I'll claim that statement as hateful.

  57. Northerner
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm:
    "No the advocate is not a scientific magazine if you actually went there there are 2 articles about how we will probably never find a single gay gene just like we will never find a single gene that defines right vs left handedness and we haven't found a gene proving hetero vs homo sexuality because genes work together but that would require you to acknowledge evolutionary changes which will probably never happen"

    Funny, because up until a few short years ago the homosexual movement was assuring the public that a gay gene or genes would be discovered by 2008, if not even sooner. About your "left-handed gene" comment: "In 2007, researchers discovered that specific alleles of at least one of three single-nucleotide polymorphisms upstream of the already known LRRTM1 gene were linked to left-handedness." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handedness. Society has biology and anatomy to prove what heterosexuality is. What evolutionary change are you referring too? Are you saying that homosexuals are more evolved than heterosexuals? Is this what the whole homosexual movement is all about? Designating themselves as the highest life form on the the evolutionary chart?

    Jpk020
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm: "Oh and telling you that you need to evolve from lower lifeforms is not hateful it's truthful"

    I'll claim that statement as hateful.

  58. Heidi
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    We just want Mr. Bachmann to come out of the closet already before he joins the ranks of the rest of the hypocritical gay Republicans caught with their pants down. I mean, please--my gaydar goes off whenever I hear that man's voice!

  59. Jpk020
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Northerner if it's were discussing evolution and were using any of you nombies then yes homosexuals are a higher level of evolution, the rest of the world- were pretty much on par maybe a little more enlightened but I'd say on the whole we're on par

  60. Northerner
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 1:37 pm:
    "Northerner if it's were discussing evolution and were using any of you nombies then yes homosexuals are a higher level of evolution, the rest of the world- were pretty much on par maybe a little more enlightened but I'd say on the whole we're on par"

    Such unenlightened opinion. If you can present scientific evidence that homosexuality is a more advanced life form then this conversation can continue. Until then leave your bigotry to yourself.

  61. Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Many of us have evolved beyond following your book of fairy tales that's what I meant by enlightened, specifically I was saying we are more advanced than those who follow nom

  62. Northerner
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 9:25 am:

    "Many of us have evolved beyond following your book of fairy tales that's what I meant by enlightened, specifically I was saying we are more advanced than those who follow nom"

    What "book of fairy tales" are you referring too? Thanks for the authorship credit, but I've never written one to date, if that is what you mean by "your book of fairy tales". In any of my postings where have I credited the source of information from a "fairy tale" book? It wasn't a "fairy tale" book that I sourced the fact there is a gene correlation to left-handedness.

  63. Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Bible=book of fairy tales, man your slow keep up with the conversation or stay quiet

  64. Northerner
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 11:48 am:

    "Bible=book of fairy tales, man your slow keep up with the conversation or stay quiet"

    Another classic ignorant, confrontational, presumptive & hateful statement coming from Jpk020. Once again you "jump to conclusions" as shown in a earlier thread making a fabrication that NOM was going to be protesting at weddings on July 24th. Just goes to show how "slow" you are with a total lack on your behalf to be able to read and comprehend. You definitely have me confused with someone else. Show where I've used the Bible to state a fact. You've spent three posts "name calling" because of your inability to refute facts.

  65. Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    My comments been blocked basically get off your high horse I've not called you a name I've only pointed out truths I.e sheeple, nombies, and what not I admit when I make mistakes why can't you, please use real science not hate funded "science"

  66. Northerner
    Posted July 17, 2011 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 10:41 pm:

    "My comments been blocked basically get off your high horse I've not called you a name I've only pointed out truths I.e sheeple, nombies, and what not I admit when I make mistakes why can't you, please use real science not hate funded "science"

    What are you talking about? Your comments are all over the place. There's no evidence of your comments being block. What a sorry excuse. Once again you're showing a complete inability to refute the facts presented with facts. All you can offer is off handed remarks.

    Besides your Neanderthal comments sprinkled throughout these threads here is a specific name calling example from "Join us on July 24th -- A New Chapter in a Long Fight to Reclaim Marriage in New York" thread:

    Jpk020
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 1:56 pm:

    "HOW DARE YOU! You are all complete A-holes...!"

    Here is where your specifically endow me with this sentiment:

    Jpk020
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 12:36 am:

    "...and many of you still qualify for the other term (northerner)"

    To get back on topic. What "hate funding" does The Wellcome Trust Centre For Human Genetics receive? Educate this thread by including references (e.g. links) to any "hate funding" they receive.

  67. Combatvet
    Posted July 17, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Wow- a lot of getting nowhere- "deviant" requires things to separate from the norm. "disgusting" is subjective. "choice" regards whether one accepts him or herself for what they are and not live a lie because it would be easier to do so. "born that way" is more likely than not but jury is still out on exactly how all the nature / nurture stuff pans out. It is definitely a positive thing to have gays.

  68. Posted July 17, 2011 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    "No child should be thinking that they might be a same-sex enthusiast; they should be thinkiing about those things that are associated with childhood."

    Randy,

    Not being too far removed from childhood myself (15 years since I hit puberty), I can tell you for a fact that a young boy or girl who is just hitting puberty does not think they are 'same-sex enthusiasts' as you call it. It is beyond simple enthusiasm and your suggestion otherwise is very insulting.

    Since puberty, since the moment I felt sexual and romantic attraction to others, I felt it for the same gender instead of the opposite. It was as natural as that. Instead of wanting to kiss other girls, I wanted to kiss other boys. It had nothing to do with how I was raised. In fact, quite the opposite. I found that when dating girls, I wasn't happy (even though I dated some very beautiful and awesome girls). No. I only felt the heart pangs, the feelings and emotions that one associates with romance, the crushes, for other boys my age.

    It's too bad that society has gone so far as to punish me for something so innocent as finding comfort, happiness, and love in the arms of another man instead of a woman.

    Despite what you believe, you can trust me on my testimony. I am the primary source. I will put your beliefs and opinions against my knowledge any day of the week.

  69. Gay agnostic
    Posted July 25, 2011 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    You NOM supporters just prove what Christopher Hitchens says is right:
    "I'm Absolutely Convinced That The Main Source of Hatred in the World is Religion, and I think it should be treated with ridicule and hatred and contempt"

  70. TC Matthews
    Posted July 25, 2011 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    It is easy to justify demonizing and hating people you disagree with, but it is not generally a good idea to treat anyone with "ridicule, hatred, and contempt"-- no matter which side of the argument you fall on. Redefining marriage is a serious social, political and moral issue that deserves full vetting.