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NOM To GOP Senators: “We Pledge $2 Million to Reverse Same-Sex Marriage in New York”

 

“Politicians who campaign one way, and vote the other, can expect consequences come election time,” Brian Brown, president of NOM

NEW YORK – The National Organization for Marriage’s (NOM) president, Brian Brown doubled his previous pledge, promising to commit "at least $2 million" in elections in 2012 to make sure Republicans understand that voting for gay marriage has consequences:

“The Republican party has torn up its contract with the voters who trusted them in order to facilitate Andrew Cuomo’s bid to be president of the U.S. Selling out your principles to get elected is wrong. Selling out your principles to get the other guy elected is just plain dumb.

Gay marriage has consequences for the next generation, for parents, and for religious people, institutions and small business owners. Politicians who campaign one way on marriage, and then vote the other, need to understand: betraying and misleading voters has consequences, too. We are not giving up, we will continue to fight to protect marriage in New York, as we are actively doing in New Hampshire and Iowa.”

NOM’s pledge to commit at least $2 million in the 2012 elections to hold politicians accountable for their vote includes independent expenditures as well as through NOM PAC New York.

“The New York Republican Party is dysfunctional. When Democrats control a chamber, they refuse to permit the people to vote for marriage. When they are a minority, as in Wisconsin and Indiana, they even flee the state to prevent a vote on a bill their base disapproves,” noted Maggie Gallagher, Chairman of NOM. “Contrast that with the behavior of the Republican party today. The Republican Party in New York is responsible for passing gay marriage, and sadly it’s the families of New York who will pay the worst price of the new government-backed redefinition of marriage.”

118 Comments

  1. Dave
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Suck it up, losers!

  2. Lisa
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    This stresses the importance of having the option of a public referendum available to the people. When you see one politician selling himself and going against the will of his constituency, you know it's time to let the people have their say at the ballot. Those outside of New York state better take note, never trust the politicians nor judges with this. If you have the referendum option there is a remedy no matter what they do.

  3. Comey Arifidly
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Defense children are the losers tonight, they cannot vote.

  4. Mary K
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    While I'm disappointed with today's vote, I want to thank the people at NOM who worked so hard on this issue. I intend to join NOM and work for the reversal of gay marriage in New York. The moral disintegration of the United States has reached the point where I'm ashamed to be an American. Let's hope that the lawsuits start soon so that the people of New York can realize how pointless the "carve-outs" were. Normally I don't wish for a "the worse the better" scenario, but this time is different. The cultural Left has been causing one disaster after another since I was a child. It has to stop.

  5. AnonyGrl
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Children whose parents can now marry are the winners. I met a few lovely kids and their parents at the Senate tonight, and all were over the moon about having their parents now able to legally marry.

  6. Jaime
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Sickening. The government has just put the state seal of approval of perversion.

  7. Bonnie
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Brain, Maggie and all the NOM staff - thank you for your tireless efforts here in New York. We are ready to move to the next stage of the fight. This was forced on the people of New York against our will (per the usual for this agenda) and we will not let it stand.

    I suspect that when we look back on this we will see that this was the moment when the people of this state (and this country) got a giant wake-up call. It reminds me of something a certain Japanese Admiral said after the attack on Pearl Harbor:

    "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

  8. ag
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Is there anything we can do to reverse this in NY- such as a referendum for the people to vote on? Or is that not possible? If not-will the one of GOP presidential candidates be able to finally get the Federal Marriage Amendment through if one of them wins?

  9. Don
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    To the homosexual activists I say savor your victory in New York State. You have, indeed, prevailed there today after failing in Maine, Maryland and Rhode Island. To this hour, homosexuals cannot marry in California and over 30 states constitutionally prohibit homosexual marriage.

    I urge all homosexual activists to continue fighting as the war continues and we are eager to engage you on the field of battle. We will fight until it is decided. There can be only one.

  10. Bonnie
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    I suspect that when we look back on this we will see that this was the moment when the people of this state (and this country) got a giant wake-up call. It reminds me of something a certain Japanese Admiral said after the attack on Pearl Harbor:

    "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

  11. Barb
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Valiant effort by NOM and all its supporters. It's difficult to win when supposed allies betray you. Now we know who they are.

  12. Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Parents. Now that you bring that up, isn't it ironic that people are looking to get MARRIED, the chief reason of which (regardless of whether you come from an evolutionary or Biblical world view) should be to procreate, while they themselves are unable to have children with each other? If everyone were gay, there would be no human race. Yet we are treating this "marriage" as if it is every bit as normal and natural as that of a traditional married couple? The fact is, gay marriages rely on heterosexual couples to provide children for them. how can we say they should have all the same rights in marriage?

    I don't hate gays. Please don't think that. But I believe they are wrong in the way they choose to live, and I cannot accept their behavior being called normal and natural and defiling the sacredness of the marriage covenant. Especially by our lawmakers, when they are clearly going against the will of the people! The legislators need to get the message that they are NOT in office to get pushed around. We need leaders with backbone who will vote for the will of their constituents!!

  13. tom
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    ag,

    1. no, there is not a referendum process in ny. same sex marriage is here to stay.
    2. no, a federal marriage amendment will never happen. DADT is on it's final breath and so is DOMA. After NY, Judge Walker's ruling will be upheld in CA. sorry Brian and Maggie, you better start sending out those resumes.

  14. Ted
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    This comment section is bogus. They screen out the stuff that goes against their views.

  15. Ted
    Posted June 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Maybe you should spend the $2M on teaching heterosexual couples to stay together and help lower the divorce rate.

  16. WhitelighterNY
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Wishful thinking on Tom's part.

  17. David
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Actually, doesn't the BIBLE say that all children are innocent? That they can't be punished for the parents mistake?

  18. Bonnie
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    When we look back on this we will see that this was the moment when the people of this state (and this country) got a giant wake-up call. It reminds me of something a certain Japanese Admiral said after the attack on Pearl Harbor:

    "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

    Keep fighting.

  19. Randy E King
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Never read that in the Bible, but I did read that you become responsible for your actions/thoughts at your earliest rememberance.

    2012 is just around the corner folks; just more fuel for the fire.

  20. Tripper
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Zzzz you're about to be tossed to the dust bin of history National Organization for Marriage

  21. MRC
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Better to be tossed in the dust bin of history than the eternal lake of fire for endorsing this abomination.

  22. Fedele Razio
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    So the United States, going faster and faster towards economic default, are paving the way towards social destruction and a new totalitarian age of an anti-human ideology.

    We need a world movement to fight against gay ideology, which is the totalitarianism of 21st century.

    All our efforts must be towards electing officials willing to work to repeal gay marriage everywhere in the world it has been legalized.

    All our efforts must be toward restoring freedom and protection for kids: allowing kids be forced to grow without a father and a mother is not different from legalizing abuse.

  23. Mary K
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    So saddened by this news. I thank NOM for all their hard work. They will have my support in future efforts. I plan to write fat checks to whoever opposes Saland and Grisanti.

  24. bill cope
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    I am so sick and saddened and after tonight's vote in New York. I am so trying to understand God's ways, we must work harder to defeat this horrible injustice.

  25. Scott
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    First of all, Bill, this nation of ours has never been, is not now, and never will be a Christian country. It is a country for people of all faiths or no belief system at all. And we have to realize that it is unfair and even immoral to impose the belief system of one religion on all the others. Additionally, it is important to point out that there are millions of gay people who are indeed Christians -- even gay pastors and bishops -- who are thrilled tonight because of this family-affirming vote. This is an important day in the history of civil rights of this wonderful country!

  26. Bizu
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    WE WIN!!! YOU LOSE!!! GET OVER IT

  27. Paxon Palin
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    bigots lose

  28. Jane
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    I'll support NOM's efforts wholeheartedly. The fight is not over.

  29. Ed
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Jane, your are absolutely correct. The fight is not over. We will win this.

  30. Roger
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    There is no way this over. 1) Most people in NY do not support Gay Marriage, and the legislature would not have passed the measure on a Friday night if they did.
    2) Most of the straights who support Gay Marriage have no idea there will be impacts on schools and Church Tax exemptions. When parents see the sickness of sodomy slip into their public schools they will override this vote.

  31. Karen Grube
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Thank you, NOM. I also support this effort. AND I also support the effort to pass a federal Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. I'm writing my Congressman NOW to ask him to support this effort.

  32. Donna
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    I am so sorry for you New York. God Bless NOM and the hard work that the organization has been doing to preserve traditional marriage. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
    More good people need to stand up for what is good. I hope it gets reversed and I will personally donate to help that happen.

  33. Scott
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Suck it Mags. Still waiting for you to sing.

  34. chris from CO
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    This is good just be patient people take a few deep breathes, it's going to be okay. You will see.
    Congrates New York for making a a mark on today.

  35. Donna
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    I am so sorry for you New York. God Bless NOM and lets hope and pray that it can be reversed for the good of children and America's future. I personally will double my contributions to help out.

  36. Jen
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    I am so sorry for the teachers that don't want to teach what they don't believe in, the organizations that don't want to recognize the supposed "marriage" of two people who are anatomically not compatible for natural sex, the parents who can't afford to send their kids to private schools or have the time to home school in order to protect them from being taught that two people of the same sex pretending to be married still make a normal family. We as a nation have turned away from the Truth and so we are reaping what we have sown.......shame on us for letting it happen!

  37. Posted June 25, 2011 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    Secession by the traditional marriage states would be appropriate.

  38. kristinc
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Suck it, homophobes. Your bitter, hateful religious fantasies are NOT law and you can NOT stand in the way of humanity and equality forever. Keep wearing yourselves out trying, though.

    CONGRATULATIONS NEW YORK FAMILIES!

  39. John Librawr
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    haha republicans and crazy a** godbots now gays are equal people deal with it derp derp your all bigots

  40. Waaaaambulance
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    I have yet to find an intelligent reason for anti same sex marriages. If you claim same sex marriages will destroy yours that speaks volume of your weakness to mind other people's sexuality. If all you can think of is what people do (likely do not do) behind closed doors then you're a bunch of perverts always thinking about what they do with their bodies which are no where near your presence.

    Everything is about this tyrannical god that people fear so much. Atheists (not all) are part of this problem spewing the same garbage just without the whole god is going to send us to hell bit. Insecurity is your biggest down fall it is time to stop peddling hatred, fears and insecurity on a group of consensual adults who agree to be with one another. Especially if they are the same gender.

    Gay marriage should have never been on the ballots. I wish heterosexual marriages and religions were for 2 or more years just to see how hateful you people are.

    Religion continue to poison people around and across this nation. Why should religion continue to have dominate rights? Because of fear tactics hateful pride? No education? Because marriage is between two people who married and one or both of them are or were adulterous?

  41. Ebil Ghey
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    All according to plan... And soon, we'll take away your HETEROSEXUAL marriage!

    MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

  42. Karla
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    God Bless NOM and lets pray same sex mariage can be reversed in New York.

  43. Comey Arifidly
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    This is already affecting my family. My 9 and 8 year old are having nightmares, afraid God is angry and that our New York home will be turned into a pillar of salt.

  44. Rianna
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Gay marriage is legal in Canada and has been for several years. It hasn't changed a thing publicly, or tax-wise, or any other way except that some of my friends are now having real anniversaries and my swim coach has a husband.

  45. Donalbain
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    F*** you losers!

  46. Tom Hockenberg
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    As a gay, moderate Republican, I am happy for this day in New York. As a public school teacher, I'm delighted that all the gay kids in NY, Massachusetts and elsewhere can grow up dreaming about someday marrying the man (or the woman) whom they fall in love with. I wish this national kerfuffle
    would die down.

  47. Dolores Peluso
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    America is a Christian Nation because it was founded on biblical principles, and which affords the people the freedom to choose to worship, or not worship (believe) whatever god, or no god they want to worship. +

  48. Dolores Peluso
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Thank you NOM for your ongoing, tireless efforts for pursuing God's righteousness in society in general, and for your advocacy for authentic marriage in particular. This matter will be ongoing in one way or another until eternity comes, and I will continue to stand with you, and to proclaim righteousness with you until then. +

  49. Jackson
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Yep, thanks to Mags, Brian, NOM, and the rest of the anti-gay industry! The USA just needs to read this page's comments to see that you really aren't that focused on marriage -- nope, you're really about hating neighbors, friends, and coworkers who happen to be gay. You can wish all you want that the US was a theocracy but thankfully it's not. If you'd prefer to live by religious laws, I'm sure the Middle East will welcome you with open arms.

  50. John
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    The Republican sellouts and Cuomo are the new anti-christ, I live in NY and I am so applaed what happend, You watch them use this perversion to legalize immoral marriage

  51. melvin jones
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    I am sadden that politicians not the citizens of new york voted for this ssm law. If citizens of ny voted yes then i could tolerate this destructive law of ssm.
    I WANT TO JOIN NOM AND PLEDGE $ TO GET THESE JUDAS REPUBLICANS OUT OF OFFICE IN 2012

  52. Posted June 25, 2011 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Scott, America's very founding was so Christian you wouldn't believe your eyes. The book of Deuteronomy the most referenced book by the founding fathers.

    And I'm sorry to have to say this, but gays and lesbians, even pastors and bishops, who claim the Christian faith are deceived. You cannot willfully choose a life of sin and still be covered by the blood of the lamb. True, Jesus forgives any repentant sinner, but homosexuals who continue in that lifestyle are not repentant. Jesus is the Word of God, and if you reject what the Word clearly says about ANY sexual sin, you are rejecting Him.

    God doesn't reject gay people; they choose their lifestyle over Him and they reject Him by so doing.

  53. melvin jones
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Lets first get rid of coward leader Skelos who did not fight for conservatives issues, but sided with the entire agenda of ny gov. Cuohomo.

  54. Posted June 25, 2011 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    It's a shame that there's so much hate coming from so many Christians. It's a shame that these Christians aren't aware of the truth behind homosexuality- that it will do nothing. It's a shame that they are stuck in believing a few thousand year old book word for word.
    It's a shame that the conservative Christians (and Sen. Diaz, for the matter) cannot stick by their real principles of basic human freedoms and personal liberty because they favor a bigoted and outdated perspective that demonizes one tenth of the population, including religious ministers who can see past the hate. And it's a shame that this organization is going to waste its money on advancing discrimination and hatred against a small portion of the population because the Bible says so. Consequently, the Bible also says not to eat shellfish. (Leviticus 11:10) And does anyone wear gold here? Because the Bible bans that too. (1 Timothy 2:9) And who here is clean shaven? Because the Bible says to not "...harm the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27) Follow it all or cast the old, outdated bigotries away. Remember the Bible was not written by God, but by man. Man is not God. And those who truly believe the Bible is the word for word Word of God make me ashamed to be a Roman Catholic.
    Thank you for your time, and God bless.

  55. Z
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Hahahahaha. Equality in New York! Equality enacted by a REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE!!! The tide is turning, you disgusting bigots, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You're all pathetic, and history will remember you as a bunch of fanatical lunatics who tried to insert their religion into civic matters. So have fun grasping at straws while attitudes continue to evolve as people realize we aren't equal until every citizen can marry the person they love.

  56. Jane
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Melvin, you are right. Skelos could have made sure that it did not even come to a vote. He was part of the conspiracy and must be made to pay the price along with Saland and the other deviant cowards.

  57. patrick lehman
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    This whole problem extends from having the state solemnize a religious event. If we were just to move to civil unions for all, it would've been much less emotionally freighted for everyone.

    Marriage is a religious event, but civil unions should be for everyone who pays taxes and wants to secure property and partner rights. It is in the interest of the state for this to occur.

    But for NOM to keep dragging out "Lake of fire" imagery just makes them seem to be sore losers.

    These Catholic bishops should be working to rebuild their own reputations after 5 decades of sex crimes, and not vilifying gay couples who've been struggling to care for each other and raise families.

  58. Gina
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Let's see....Equality started in 2004, and is growing. Where are all these dire "CONSEQUENSES"???

    PS. Don't preach that "kids will be taught in school" crap. You're free to teach your kids hatred at home, or in private school.

  59. Heidi
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Grace--exactly. Think of how much money has been wasted on this issue by so-called Christians. They should render unto Caesar (government) what is Caeser's (civil marriage) and render unto God what is God's (by following Christ's instructions to love one another as we would like to be loved and to care for the sick, hungry, poor, imprisoned, and rejected by society. How unChristian it is to waste resources by investing in keeping others from their God-given right to equality.

  60. Posted June 25, 2011 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    One Nation, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice FOR ALL. 

    I don't know what you consider right and wrong, but those words don't denote any exceptions as defined by any church or system of belief. The ideals expressed in that pledge are what make this country great, and it is why we can say with honesty through those ideals, the Pledge, that we live in the greatest country on earth. 

    Religions impositions on the lives of others is what causes many of the divided nature of our society. It harms our country. We are not required to abide by, nor are we subject to the beliefs of anyones religion. 

    You nor any church, has the right to exempt anyone their rights to the pursuit of Life and Liberty, as long as that liberty is not harming others. 

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Do you know where that came from? I bet you're going to have to look it up. 

    If two people who love each other and wanting to take vows of marriage causes you unhappiness, that is your own fault, not the fault of anyone else. Take some responsibility for your own life and you may find happiness. I doubt you will ever find happiness in denying happiness to others, but that's just my opinion. I think some of you enjoy denying happiness to people, and if that is what is required to get into heaven, I would rather be skiing the lake of fire than trying to go and spend eternity with you.

    Those who fight to deny equal rights to others are not worthy of the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, as you do not live by those words. 

    You put your religion before country, and you impose your lost religions tenets and myopic controlling ways onto those who do not believe that same as you.

    That is not Freedom

  61. Boo ya
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    You LOST! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  62. 2020
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    31 states have a constitutional amendment protecting their citizens from the perversion of SSM.
    I'm not surprised by the ssm minions posting here. They have no moral clarity.
    THeycontinue to show that they are the biggest bunch of hypocrites and bigots we have in America today.
    Honestly, 44 out of 50 states still do not recognize their perversion. DOMA is still law of the land. ENDA sits dead on a desk somewhere.
    THese homosexual bgots truly live in a backwards world if they believe this is going to stop believers of traditional marriage from stating and standing for our views.

  63. philly
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    We have freedom of religion in this country. You don't have freedom from religion. If you don't like the fact that we are opposed to your godless, evil, sick, deviant lifestyle then tough. We have a right to tell you. We have to put up with you queens and your deviant behavior in front of our children so you will have to put up with our opposition to you. VOTE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT VOTED FOR THIS ABOMINATION OUT OF OFFICE.

  64. Posted June 25, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Richard, the old testament laws you claimed we disobey are taken completely out of context. these were part of the guidelines for the nation of Israel in the old testament. That does not mean that they are wrong now, just that because of Jesus' work on the cross, there are parts of the written code (OT) that no longer apply to us.

    The majority of Christians, I believe you will find, do not "hate.". Those who do, should be ashamed of themselves. But yes, we do believe a several thousand year old book, because it is the only source of absolute truth in a tumultuous world. The Bible is still the best selling book, and no one has ever proven it wrong. Those who have predicted its demise and extinction became extinct themselves, and the Word of God is still going strong.

    Also, to those who have left comments on my blog, I do appreciate your visits, but I will not post off-topic comments. If you are truly interested in commenting on the topic I have written about, I welcome your comments. But please don't take an out-of-context quote from a post and then go off on an unrelated tangent. And please keep it respectful and intelligent. Thank you. :)

  65. Justin
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Where in the bible does it say men shouldn't marry other men? Just wondering...

  66. Dave
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Philly - the spirit of Christ radiates from your every pore. Now, get lost.

  67. Dawn
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    "This is already affecting my family. My 9 and 8 year old are having nightmares, afraid God is angry and that our New York home will be turned into a pillar of salt." ~ Comey
    I can't tell if this is a joke or not, but if it's true, you have no one to blame but yourself for their nightmares.

  68. mistertadpole
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    If Jesus were alive today...he'd finally be able to get married in New York State.

  69. seth Chodosh
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    you guys LOST...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

    WHAT A FRIGGIN BUNCH OF LOSERS...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  70. Little man
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Social experimentation, then, is legal experimenting with humans. I thought that was passé. When is the government starting to build sets of 4 restrooms instead of sets of 2? Spend, spend, in a bad economic time.

  71. Little man
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    So, next time you come up near a couple of homosxual behavior, beware they will sue you for just looking at them.

    When sexual harassment laws were created, many people claimed harassment just to get even with someone innocent of the charge.

  72. Little man
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    We don't even believe people are "gay", meaning genetically. It is not proven, scientifically. We don't hate them. But we believe the burden of proof is on their shoulders, so to speak. Look at the hate against NOM, yet they decry hate. We don't hate them, but we don't trust them - and that's a different story. Associate with them only if you buy into their value system. If you don't, they will attack you via politics, local, State or Federal.

  73. Randy E King
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Same-sex enthusiasts continue to use the same two arguments in defense of their depravity:

    1) No it isn't/won't

    2) So what?

    When those opposed to this perversion point out the inherit problems with this activity the response is "no it isn't"; when irrefutable evidence is presented the miscreants alway respond with "so what."

    These miscreants have absolutley no use for facts because the facts will not get them what they want.

  74. SC Guy
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    As others have said earlier, I also want to thank NOM for their tireless efforts in New York. I am also very disappointed and even indignant at the outcome. But we knew that with the Dems controlling most of the process and with Cuomo and his merry band of Cuomo-sexuals in the government and media, this was an uphill battle. I do take some solace in the fact that the final vote was so close.

    But I also remember that we've notched up quite a few victories this year (so far) - even if it only passed one house and not the other in some cases:

    - Wyoming Senate voted 20-10 in favor of a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages (it failed to garner the 2/3 required in the house)

    - Iowa House of Reps voted 62-37 in favor of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages but the Dem leader of the senate refused to allow a vote because he knew it would pass (quite good, considering Iowa is one of the few states where gay marriage is legal)

    - Indiana overwhelmingly approved a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and civil unions in both houses

    - Both house of the Minnesota legislature passed an amendment to put before the voters in 2012

    - Attempts to legalize gay marriage failed in both Rhode Island and Maryland

    North Carolina and New Hampshire lie ahead of us as opportunities.

    There are other examples too but it shows that fighting for traditional marriage is hardly a lost cause. We may have lost this battle but we made a sparky battle and we certainly didn't lose the war. Keep up the fight, people. Keep up the fight.

  75. Ariel Joshua Thorn
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    It needs to be emphasized that our rights come from God according to the Declaraation of Independance. Moreover God never gae two people the right to marry therefore their is no such right. It is not discrimination to agree with God that a marriage is between a husband & wife. Its righteousness. I do not understand why NOM doesn't use this angle to promote God's definition of marriage. its the best arguement for keeping marriage as it is. God says a marriage is between a husband & wife in Genesis in the Holy Bible which every one of these politicians put their hands on & swore by. its the best arguement.

  76. John Noe
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Remember we did not lose in a fair fight. The so called advocates claiming they won did not win over the people. First it was using the courts, next it is bribing legislatures to defy the will of the people.

  77. Don
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    There was Benedict Arnold but here stands The United States of America. No traitor or group of traitors can stop the inevitability of the preservation of traditional marriage.

  78. Posted June 25, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    There was Benedict Arnold but here stands The United States of America. No traitor or group of traitors can stop the inevitability of the preservation of traditional marriage.

    Good point.

  79. susan
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    It is disappointing that legislators in their misguided attempt to represent the people feel they need to, or have the right to, legalize such a personal matter. Marriage is to be handled by families and their community and their church. The decay of this great country continues. God bless America..

  80. Mary Ann
    Posted June 25, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    What an empty win- bribing the legislature. The only true victory will be when no one laughs behind closed doors at the absurdity of two men or two women thinking they are married. That's what the majority of America thinks in the ballot box.

  81. Abraham
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Your organization is incredibly your stupid and your goals are a waste of time. Gay marriage is simply not an important issue, and it shouldn't be put to a vote of the people, because the majority has no authority to deny rights to a minority group. I sincerely hope you fail in every conceivable way, and the sooner the better.

  82. Howard
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    The people of New York are in favor of marriage equality, and so is God!

    The problem with most of you is you think God stop speaking 2000 years ago. He is still speaking but you are not listening.

    I mean if you really believe in an omnipotent God, do you really think He would have allowed New York to pass marriage equality unless he was in favor of it? God is trying to tell you he changed his mind and he is now in favor of gays getting married, but you're not listening!

  83. Rich
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Keep crying you morons. I love it.

  84. Randy
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    John - "Remember we did not lose in a fair fight. The so called advocates claiming they won did not win over the people. First it was using the courts, next it is bribing legislatures to defy the will of the people."

    Very good point John, Because the gay community knows that they can never win a fair fight. That has been shown 31 times.

  85. patrick lehman
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    What you don't seem to realize is this: Gay people are not trying to destroy marriage.

    We are paying it a huge compliment. We value the very concept that most of you have made such a mockery out of, during the last fifty years of no fault divorce.

    Hopefully we'll be more successful. In the meantime, keep frothing at the mouth. And keep having gay children, so I can marry a handsome "trophy husband" when I'm old and wealthy. That's how you guys do it..right?

  86. Rick DeLano
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    May the Republican Party of New York be visited with utter devastation, utter political ruin

    May the earth be salted above its political ashes.

    This is not only directed at the Four who betrayed the children of New York to homosexual indoctrination in schools.

    Dean Skelos: traitor.

    Every member of the Republican Senate caucus that voted to bring this travesty to the floor: traitor.

    Every Republican official who does not condemn and effectively oppose all of the Republican Senators above: political opponent.

    It is time to move to Operation Votes Have Consequences.

  87. Posted June 26, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    It's ironic that you call NOM's tactics a fair fight. NOM has stormed into several states and using media blasted them with lies and twisted innuendo. Of this six clobber points NOM uses to swing voters, not one was presented in court because they knew their lies wouldn't hold up in court. NOM has lied and mis represented themselves in every battle and you complain about a fair fight. What a fool.

  88. Dave
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    NOMers, please try and live in the real world in 2011 and not some ridiculous made-up story world of 2,000 years ago. You're an embarrassment to the human race.

  89. Posted June 26, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Gay marriage is simply not an important issue, and it shouldn't be put to a vote of the people, because the majority has no authority to deny rights to a minority group.

    In order to understand the nature of a civil right, one must look into the nation's history and tradition for a careful description of that right. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 at 703 91997).

    What was the careful description of that right?

    The relationship of “husband and wife” is “founded in nature, but modified by civil society: the one directing man to continue and multiply his species, the other prescribing the manner in which that natural impulse must be confined and regulated.”

    1 William Blackstone, Commentaries *410.

    “the establishment of marriage in all civilized states is built on this natural obligation of the father to provide for his children

    id. at *35.

    Marriage is “is made by a voluntary compact between man and woman.”

    John Locke, Second Treatise of Civil Government § 78 (1690)

    Marriage “was instituted … for the purpose of preventing the
    promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,
    and for securing the maintenance and education of children

    Noah Webster, An American Dictionary of the English Language (1st ed. ) (1828)

    Marriage is a “ contract, made in due form of law, by which a man
    and woman
    reciprocally engage to live with each other during their
    joint lives, and to discharge towards each other the duties imposed by
    law on the relation of husband and wife.”

    John Bouvier, A Law
    Dictionary Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States
    105 (1868)

    “For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and
    necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit
    to take rank as one of the coordinate states of the Union, than that
    which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as
    consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one
    woman in the holy estate of matrimony; the sure foundation of all that
    is stable and noble in our civilization; the best guarantee of that
    reverent morality which is the source of all beneficent progress in
    social and political improvement. ”

    Murphy v. Ramsey, 114 U.S. 15 at 45 (1885), quoted in Davis v. Beason, 133 U.S. 333 at 344, 345 (1890) and United States v. Bitty , 208 U.S. 393 at 401 (1908)

  90. Don
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Dave:

    You want to live in the "real world"? Here it is, Buddy!

    Homosexual "marriage" was defeated in Maine by a vote of the people.

    Homosexual "marriage" never made it to a floor vote in Maryland even though it was supposed to be a done deal.

    Homosexual "marriage" never made it to a floor vote in Rhode Island even though that too was supposed to be a done deal.

    Despite Judge Walker and the best efforts of the "Dream Team", you cannot today legally marry in California.

    All three of the Supreme Court judges up for a retention vote in Iowa were kicked off the bench by a vote of the people.

    Despite the best efforts of the HRC to discourage law firms from defending DOMA, the U. S. House of Representatives has retained counsel to vigorously defend it.

    More than 30 states legally prohibit homosexual "marriage".

    That's the "real world" that you are living in today, Dave. Suck it up!

  91. John Noe
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Our tactics and NOM's tactics are a fair fight. The only battle that is fair is an issue taken to the people directly. There all have one fair vote. You must get the appoval of the very people you want to win over.
    It is the SSM advocates who take cheap shots and play dirty. This win in NY was only won by excessive bribery of politicians bypassing the voters of NY. Another poster in another blog has the details.
    In MA they used the courts. We the people had no say. When we wanted to vote, they said no vote. In the courtroom it is where acitivist judges having a preconceived political position uses the bench to impose their views. They are not elected. Just legislate from the bench by calling the current law unconstitutional.

  92. Posted June 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    We value the very concept that most of you have made such a mockery out of, during the last fifty years of no fault divorce.

    Except that no-fault divorce did not exist in New York until recently. NOM opposed New York adopting no-fault divorce.

  93. Dwane
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Replace Interracial with SSM or Gay

    Interracial marriage runs counter to God's plan:
    “Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”
    (Source: Virginia trial judge upholding conviction of Mildred and Richard Loving for interracial marriage, quoted in Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 3 (1967))

  94. Dwane
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Replace Race or Racial with Gay or SSM....

    Racial intermarriage should not be allowed because of the physical inferiority and higher incidence of certain diseases among certain races, such as sickle-cell anemia among African Americans.
    (Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 23-24 and n.5 (summarizing the State's argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))

  95. Dwane
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    I think you can see the simularities:

    “It is contended that interracial marriage has adverse effects not only upon the parties thereto but upon their progeny . . . and that the progeny of a marriage between a Negro and a Caucasian suffer not only the stigma of such inferiority but the fear of rejection by members of both races.”
    (Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 26 and n.5 (summarizing the State's argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))

  96. Don
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Poor choice, Dwane. Why? Because of this:

    "Racism within the Castro is nothing new, many report. "In the Castro, which is supposed to be the mecca of the gay community, there's no place for Black people," stated Swazzi Sowo, a former board member of San Francisco Pride. "The racism is so prevalent in the white gay community. In one particular store, a manager I know doesn't work there anymore, because people would come in and say, 'Look, there's a n***** working there." Sowo said that on three different occasions, she has been called racial epithets on the street. "It's like the '50s in Mississippi."

    Why don't you replace "gay" or "ssm" with African-American. Then you can get busy giving black people in the gay community their civil rights.

  97. Don
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    We have no power, Sal? The legislature of Maine passed SSM. The governor of Maine signed it into law. Yet today, gays and lesbians are forbidden to marry in Maine. How did that come about?

  98. SamJones
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    The Majority Opinion of the New York Court of Appeals in Hernandez v. Robles (2006) rejected any reliance upon the Loving case as controlling upon the issue of same-sex marriage, holding that:

    “ [T]he historical background of Loving is different from the history underlying this case. [...] But the traditional definition of marriage is not merely a by-product of historical injustice. Its history is of a different kind. The idea that same-sex marriage is even possible is a relatively new one. Until a few decades ago, it was an accepted truth for almost everyone who ever lived, in any society in which marriage existed, that there could be marriages only between participants of different sex. A court should not lightly conclude that everyone who held this belief was irrational, ignorant or bigoted. We do not so conclude."

  99. bman
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    @Dwayne: I think you can see the simularities:..

    What about the differences?

    Skin color is not a behavior, but men having sex with men is a maladaptive behavior. .

  100. Jay
    Posted June 26, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Gay marriage will never hide the fact that homosexuality will never be the best way for a man to live out his life.

  101. Posted June 26, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Interracial marriage runs counter to God's plan:
    “Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”
    (Source: Virginia trial judge upholding conviction of Mildred and Richard Loving for interracial marriage, quoted in Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 3 (1967))

    Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 87 S. Ct. 1817, 18 L. ed. 2d 1010 (1967), upon which petitioners additionally rely, does not militate against this conclusion. Virginia's antimiscegenation statute, prohibiting interracial marriages, was invalidated solely on the grounds of its patent racial discrimination. As Mr. Chief Justice Warren wrote for the court (388 U.S. 12, 87 S. Ct. 1824, 18 L. ed. 2d 1018):

    "Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888). To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations." Loving does indicate that not all state restrictions upon the right to marry are beyond reach of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely upon race and one based upon the fundamental difference in sex.

    Baker v. Nelson , 191 N.W.2d 185 at 187 (Minn. Sup. Ct. 1971)

  102. AnonyGrl
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    Jay, it would not be the best way for YOU to live out your life.

    You have no idea what is the best way for others to live out theirs. How about you just let them work it out for themselves? After all, no one is trying to tell you who you can love.

  103. Fedele Razio
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    One simple fact will continue to hold true: if you are in a same-sex relationship you are not married.

    Even if a piece of paper with a government stamp, even if everybody around you say "yes, you're married", your body and your genetics will continue to tell you either:
    "you're a male, complementary to a female" or
    "you're a female, complementary to a male".

    You can continue to lie to yoursel all life long, but your body will continue to tell you the truth.

  104. chris from CO
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    Coming on this website today while my partner is watching youtube, listening to the WB Church stuff, wow it amazes me the crap that comes out of their mouths is reflected in your followers. Just a different outlet. Please understand that hate is not going to win in any state. We did see 31 states vote against equal rights for gay people but a majority vote was needed and in most votes it was a slim margin. Following behind my generation is a group of young people, that clearly supprort the equal rights of all citizens in America, they will change these 31 bans. I'm not hopeful, I understand that in AMERICA the slightest form of unjust in this country will not be tolerated. Change is in the air.

  105. John
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    Hey, I've just thought of an even better way to spend $2m. Let's create a bill that would ban NOM directors, staff, donators, members, etc. from marrying and procreating and then throw money at politicians to support it. I think we can all agree this would lead to a happier, healthy future for us all.

  106. Fedele Razio
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    @Chris: "Following behind my generation is a group of young people, that clearly supprort the equal rights of all citizens in America, they will change these 31 bans."

    Chris, you forget that:

    a) the problem is not with your rights, but with ours; we as heterosexuals with kids, want our special biological relationship with our kids recognized by the government;

    b) youg people become older, and wiser; and America is becoming older, and older, even if not yet wiser and wiser.

    Time will tell.

  107. Don
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    chris from CO:

    Homosexual activists are the worst kind of hypocrites. While they talk civil rights, they practice blatant racial discrimination from coast to coast.

    The fact that hate isn't going to win in any state explains why the voters of Maine overturned homosexual "marriage" passed by the state legislature. Voters wouldn't tolerate the hate inherent in such legislation.

    Over 30 states chose to protect and preserve traditional marriage. In California and Maine, such measures passed by a margin equal to or greater than the margin by which Barack Obama won the presidency. "Slim" margins don't mean a thing when it comes to voting victory.

    The predictions for the future made by homosexual activists don't have a very good track record. Prop 8 wasn't going to get on the ballot. It wasn't going to be passed by voters. Homosexual "marriage" was a "done deal" to be legislated into existence in Maryland and Rhode Island. Better take your crystal ball back to where you bought it and ask for your money back.

  108. Mike Brooks
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Anonygirl -

    It's ironic that homosexuals speak about not wanting people to tell them how to live, but then they demand that they can be "married," in essence living how society expects heterosexuals to live.

    Homosexuality is a mental illness; those afflicted with it are inclined to not use their reproductive anatomy for its intended use. Psychologically, that has to be a damaging trait, yet homosexuals embrace it. That's like a man who refuses to walk, opting to always sit and use his legs only to move his chair in and out. Sure, you can live that way, but it's a waste of a good set of legs.

  109. bman
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    @Chris".... hate is not going to win in any state.

    Agreed.

    We did see 31 states vote against equal rights for gay people....

    Its more accurate to say they voted against "same sex marriage or gay marriage ."

    Your statement, "equal rights for gay people" is broader in scope than what they voted on, and its biased because it presumes gay marriage is a "right," when that is in dispute.

    The majority of courts that have considered the issue have said same sex marriage is not a fundamental right.

    Also, in regard to your statement, "....hate is not going to win in any state," hate was not the reason that 31 states voted against same sex marriage in the first place.

    There are many good and valid reasons to vote against same sex marriage - natural order, religion, public morality, philosophy, law and behavior theory, child development, preserving American tradition, preventing the collapse of western civilization, parental instincts, protecting the true meaning of marriage, among others.

    Whoever goes around saying its about "hate" misrepresents the true nature of the issue, and such a person is trapped in their own bias and bigotry.

  110. Comey Arifidly
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Isn't anyone calling for a federal marriage amendment after what happened in New York?

  111. Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Isn't anyone calling for a federal marriage amendment after what happened in New York?

    Most proposals for such an amendment merely reserve to the states the power to define marriage as between one man and one woman (and for Congress to do the same with respect to D.C.)

  112. DJ
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    NOM will you post my commons or til me why not?

  113. bill cope
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the info. Uptil now thought a federal amendment, could somehow ban SSM for all the states.

  114. DJ
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    NOM, is my last comments for this post ok?

  115. john
    Posted June 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    There sure appear to be quite a few self-satisfied individuals who maintain a level of certainty with regard to their approval of gay marriage and belief that the question is settled.
    Conclusions from studies regarding the reasons for and processes involved in complex human behaviors are almost inevitably speculative and full of tenuous connections, because of the number of possible interpretations of any such complex phenomena and of the great number and significance of the uncontrolled variables involved. To be balanced, one should consider interpretations and speculation from the opposing point of view. Such interpretations and speculation could include:

    1) Hundreds of millions of years of evolution designing male and female to fit together physically, sexually, emotionally, and intellectually.

    2) Humans are not ants and not likely to adjust to all-female society easily.

    3) Small hunter gatherer groups coming together to form larger and larger modern groups, originally based on agriculture, provide many challenges. Difficult to create large society without barbarity and cruelty, and many forms were developed, but one-man one-woman marriage alone provided the basis for the creation of harmonious societies and modern civilization.

    4) The most fundamental bonds holding together human civilization are those of men with women, which provide a sort of glue, evolved over millions of years. Dissolving that glue and breaking those bonds leads to societal disintegration and the erosion of civilized values.

    5) The most likely explanation for the development of “gay genes” in males would be that some genes are triggers that turn weak, non-dominant males into homosexuals so as to minimize conflict with the dominant males who are competing for the women.

    6) Members of lesbian groups often claim that lesbianism is a choice and it is choice they hope to convince all women and girls to make as they create a women-only human race. This is consistent with the observation that there appears to be no evolutionary advantage for women to have a “gay gene.” It is plausible that women are simply adaptable sexually, as they were never as powerful as men and often for their own survival or reproduction had to submit to the will of others, and so all women can become heterosexual, bisexual or lesbian.

    7) Since in the Western countries women control reproduction and child-rearing, including the inculcating of values in children, it is reasonable to assume that the increase in the incidence of lesbianism in the past few decades is at least in part the result of a lesbian movement, composed of groups with the intention and ability to convert greater and greater numbers of females into lesbianism. This has led to efforts to create universal acceptance of the idea that women can do everything of value as well as men can, with a somewhat subtle implication that women and men are equal in every way, except where women are superior, as in being more critical in reproduction and in being more peaceful, less violent, more docile, more patient, and generally more civilized, making men redundant, unnecessary, and even problematic.

    8) Because a lesbian movement that involves promoting the lesbian lifestyle and converting women and girls to it is real, and because recognition of that in the general society could lead to strong attempts to resist it, lesbians are generally happy to have gay males form the face of the gay movement, as they do not appear to pose a threat to grow as a movement, i.e., there is no real growing gay male movement, and fundamentally alter society’s composition as they are not in control of reproduction and child-rearing.

    9) One of the flaws in the reasoning behind this lesbian movement, which involves increasing mistrust, misunderstanding, and hostility between the sexes, and attacking ideas of common purpose and common interests for the whole of humanity, is that it assumes that the goal of an all-woman society is realizable, ignoring the likelihood that as it dissolves the social bonds between men and women, the social disintegration and chaos that grows reduces the extent to which an agreement on common goals and values is possible, reducing the opportunity for growing solidarity among the non-elites in society to avoid the predations of the powerful, allowing for the more predatory individuals and groups to gain control, leading to a more barbaric society, where physical force will become more important and social progress will become impossible.

    The debate may never end. If only the militant feminists would allow others to live in peace without their nonsense, then we could compare societies with the insane practice of gay marriage against similar societies that do not allow the practice. I expect to see the societies that do allow the practice to disintegrate over time, as the fundamental bonds holding human beings together will be dissolved, and such societies to become mired in poverty, misery, and despair.

  116. Jeanette
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    This must and will be reversed.

  117. Jeanette
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    New York state had a law in place that said no to same sex marriage and it was right. But Cuomo and those working with him have betrayed the people of New York state. They passed this law like thieves in the night. They worked together secretly like thieves in the night.

    This law legalizing same sex marriage in New York State must and will be reversed; of that I have no doubt.

  118. Lady Aizen
    Posted June 30, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    LaJoie Ward: Parents. Now that you bring that up, isn't it ironic that people are looking to get MARRIED, the chief reason of which (regardless of whether you come from an evolutionary or Biblical world view) should be to procreate, while they themselves are unable to have children with each other? If everyone were gay, there would be no human race.

    1. Marriage is not about procreation. Marriage is about commiting yourself to your partner, not creating babies? Did you know that a growing number of couples are choosing not have children?

    2. If everyone were infertle the human race would die out. Should we ban inftertle couples from getting married too?

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